Hello From Kent

DavidOfKent · 24-07-2005, 06:52 PM

Hello,

I am currently studying A level Politics, and hope to study Economics and Politics at University (probably Kent) in a years time.

I am not a UKIP member, or member of any party, although I support UKIP's aims. We must leave the European Union.

I am generally Conservative, and feel UKIP and the Tories must work together to leave the EU, and that the Conservative party must take a more hardline approach on Europe (ie support leaving it but keep the free common market). Sadly UKIP is too small to do it alone, and there's no point costing Tory seats for Europhiles to sell our nation down the river.

Are there any other UKIP-Tories here? Especially young people.

I look forward to hearing from everyone and my membership of this great board.

Percentage · 24-07-2005, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by DavidOfKent

Are there any other UKIP-Tories here? Especially young people.

Is this a wind up?

No i tell a lie,i know of at least one but he's gone to a Acid House Party in Cornwall!

Anthony Butcher · 24-07-2005, 07:20 PM

Welcome to the forum.

Whether we have Tory, Labour or Lib Dem MPs, it will make no difference in terms of the EU. They are all in favour or remaining in the EU. The downside to the Tories is that they con the British public INTO phpbb_thinking that there is a third way, when there clearly isn't.

DavidOfKent · 24-07-2005, 07:37 PM

I think UKIP should pressure the Tories INTO phpbb_adopting an anti-EU policy. It is what most Tory MPs want, and almost all the Tory voters want, but the main problem post-Thatcher is that the Tory party is affraid of being Tory. UKIP should pressure the Tories, work with the Eurosceptics, and get us out of the EU asap. Sadly UKIP is too small, we must unite to defeat the EU.

komerad · 24-07-2005, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by DavidOfKent

We must leave the European Union.
the Conservative party must take a more hardline approach on Europe (ie support leaving it but keep the free common market). Sadly UKIP is too small to do it alone, no point costing Tory seats for Europhiles to sell our nation down the river.
I look forward to hearing from everyone and my membership of this great board.

Hello DoK
I agree we must leave the EU.
Unfortunately the Cons are a pro-EU party (no mater what thev say)
which makes it imperative that UKIP contest Tory seats.
All three main parties are pro-EU, which gives UKIP little option but contest
as many seats as possible (finance allowing)

Britannist · 24-07-2005, 07:55 PM

Reply to Komerad (last posting):

I don't agree (if you don't mind me saying). UKIP should target its resources at 'promising' and potentially winnable constituencies. That's what George Galloway's Respect Party did at the May 2005 General Election did. He's now an MP again - no one from UKIP is.

UKIP spread itself too thinly across the country in May. It needs to put up the bare minimum of candidates to qualify itself for a party political broadcast on television/radio and then concentrate on two or three seats where it can win. I've already decided which UK parliamentary constituencies those are.

The Scottish and Welsh Nationals secured 8 seats between them in the House of Commons by targeting. They only need the money to put up candidates in the constituencies of Wales and Scotland. Fielding candidates in 497 seats (at the May 2005 General Election) is a formidable task for UKIP - and expensive too.

Bellatrix · 24-07-2005, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by DavidOfKent

Are there any other UKIP-Tories here? Especially young people.

I was CF area chairman for Surrey, but I gave up with the Conservatives because they are blind to the EU. Go to Brussels and you'll see how eurosceptic they really are. Not at all. Even when we were campaigning 'no' to the constitution the Tory assistants were poncing around under a pointless banner which clearly showed that although they didn't want this constitution, they certainly wanted to stay in the EU and they didn't want to hear a bad word said against their lovely chairman, Hans Goet-Poettering....

Honey, the Tories love it in Brussels. If you want out the EU, then it's UKIP and UKIP alone. We may be small, but more people reading through the propaganda can change that.

DavidOfKent · 24-07-2005, 09:03 PM

UKIP needs to target better, I think we'd have got about 5 MPs had we done so. I've looked around a bit, and the funds UKIP raises are good, but how its spent is awful (sorry to say).

UKIP should contest 50 seats, which gets it a party election broadcast, but will cost only £25,000 in deposits I think. Then target maybe 5 of them at most, flood them with the money that was spent. Have big daily press conferences, publicity stunts, rallies and loads of 'footsoldiers' on the ground. Organise buses/transport and postal ballots for voters. If all UKIP decended on 5 seats, most would be won.

Which seats do you think would be best?

P.S. I know, the Tories need to wake up, and be Tory again really. If they pick Ken Clarke, I and many others will join UKIP for certain.

Anthony Butcher · 24-07-2005, 10:05 PM

We had more than 20 seats that were targeted with a reasonable amount of cash. It made almost no difference.

arden forester · 25-07-2005, 08:16 AM

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We had more than 20 seats that were targeted with a reasonable amount of cash. It made almost no difference.

But, Anthony, cash is no good without large numbers of activists. How many more UKIP activists were there in these 20 seats than the others? It's not much point unless the constituencies targetted were made to feel there was momentum and UKIP was in with a chance.

If only 100 people think a party will win, then it won't. But if 10,000 think it will win, then there is hope!

24-07-2005, 06:52 PM	#1 (permalink)
DavidOfKent Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Faversham Posts: 47	Hello From Kent Hello, I am currently studying A level Politics, and hope to study Economics and Politics at University (probably Kent) in a years time. I am not a UKIP member, or member of any party, although I support UKIP's aims. We must leave the European Union. I am generally Conservative, and feel UKIP and the Tories must work together to leave the EU, and that the Conservative party must take a more hardline approach on Europe (ie support leaving it but keep the free common market). Sadly UKIP is too small to do it alone, and there's no point costing Tory seats for Europhiles to sell our nation down the river. Are there any other UKIP-Tories here? Especially young people. I look forward to hearing from everyone and my membership of this great board.

24-07-2005, 07:55 PM	#6 (permalink)
Britannist Uber Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: London Posts: 22,896	UKIP should target Reply to Komerad (last posting): I don't agree (if you don't mind me saying). UKIP should target its resources at 'promising' and potentially winnable constituencies. That's what George Galloway's Respect Party did at the May 2005 General Election did. He's now an MP again - no one from UKIP is. UKIP spread itself too thinly across the country in May. It needs to put up the bare minimum of candidates to qualify itself for a party political broadcast on television/radio and then concentrate on two or three seats where it can win. I've already decided which UK parliamentary constituencies those are. The Scottish and Welsh Nationals secured 8 seats between them in the House of Commons by targeting. They only need the money to put up candidates in the constituencies of Wales and Scotland. Fielding candidates in 497 seats (at the May 2005 General Election) is a formidable task for UKIP - and expensive too.

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24-07-2005, 07:20 PM	#3 (permalink)
Anthony Butcher Administrator Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Long Ashton, Bristol Posts: 10,186 Party: None	Welcome to the forum. Whether we have Tory, Labour or Lib Dem MPs, it will make no difference in terms of the EU. They are all in favour or remaining in the EU. The downside to the Tories is that they con the British public INTO phpbb_thinking that there is a third way, when there clearly isn't.

24-07-2005, 07:37 PM	#4 (permalink)
DavidOfKent Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Faversham Posts: 47	I think UKIP should pressure the Tories INTO phpbb_adopting an anti-EU policy. It is what most Tory MPs want, and almost all the Tory voters want, but the main problem post-Thatcher is that the Tory party is affraid of being Tory. UKIP should pressure the Tories, work with the Eurosceptics, and get us out of the EU asap. Sadly UKIP is too small, we must unite to defeat the EU.

24-07-2005, 09:03 PM	#8 (permalink)
DavidOfKent Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Faversham Posts: 47	UKIP needs to target better, I think we'd have got about 5 MPs had we done so. I've looked around a bit, and the funds UKIP raises are good, but how its spent is awful (sorry to say). UKIP should contest 50 seats, which gets it a party election broadcast, but will cost only £25,000 in deposits I think. Then target maybe 5 of them at most, flood them with the money that was spent. Have big daily press conferences, publicity stunts, rallies and loads of 'footsoldiers' on the ground. Organise buses/transport and postal ballots for voters. If all UKIP decended on 5 seats, most would be won. Which seats do you think would be best? P.S. I know, the Tories need to wake up, and be Tory again really. If they pick Ken Clarke, I and many others will join UKIP for certain.

24-07-2005, 10:05 PM	#9 (permalink)
Anthony Butcher Administrator Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Long Ashton, Bristol Posts: 10,186 Party: None	We had more than 20 seats that were targeted with a reasonable amount of cash. It made almost no difference.