How can we have democracy?

Lafayette · 12-04-2005, 07:52 AM

Mr. Butcher is correct. There was no great sentiment in Britain to join in the Iraq War. PM Blair took you all INTO phpbb_it against the will of the people. Don't blame the UKIP or any member of this board for what was not their doing. I have been coming to this board for quite some time and I have seen no one that I can remember who thought Iraq was a good idea. Almost to the man and woman, they saw it as a mistake.

I do not care for President Bush, but to say 9/11 was his Reichstag is just silly. Though it pains me to admit it in a board that is centered in what to me is a foreign country, 9/11 was "blowback" for several decades of meddling in the Middle East and bad foreign policy. Realistically, the United States has economic interests to look after, but apparently we looked after them in all the wrong ways.

I can respect you for mistrusting my government and your own government, but indulging in conspiracy theories does nothing to promote your cause. There are so many reasons to mistrust that aren't related to theories about Seven Jewish Bankers, Zionist puppet masters, the New World Order, or whatever else the paranoid imagination can create.

mason-free party · 12-04-2005, 09:36 AM

there's no conspiracy except in Bush's government...watch the video clip and alter your thinking before its too late..if you are still in truth denial after watching it then you have a real problem..

I think we should do copies of this clip and distribute it to every British MP before the next general election...its only 22 mins long but says it all...well done Alex!

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles...groundzero.htm
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mkpdavies · 12-04-2005, 12:13 PM

Why do you trust this guy Alex Jones so much? I don't doubt he comes up with some interesting stuff, but following one mans opinions as if they were the cast iron truth, is little better than following Bliar.

Why stop at Jones, David Icke takes it on another level and says we are being ruled by space lizards. He has loads of proof too, do you think we are ruled nby space lizards? If not, why not?

C_steam · 12-04-2005, 12:23 PM

Matt - please stop. You're just being lizardist.

mason-free party · 12-04-2005, 01:42 PM

you still won't address the issue of WTC 7 and why it came down?...something tells me you are scared to or you belong to the Silverstein clan..typical of the 1930's when Hitler and his henchmen did what they liked and the public just ignored it...quite frankly you are all pathetic...god help humanity!

mkpdavies · 12-04-2005, 04:07 PM

Your wild acusations against us without any proof is all I need to know. You are not to be taken seriously.

As for WTC 7, I have know idea why it came down, I wasn't there so I can't say for sure why. Making up reasons might be fun, but it isn't particularly productive.

C_steam · 12-04-2005, 05:55 PM

There were seven of them?

mason-free party · 12-04-2005, 06:53 PM

watch the 22 minute clip...thats all i ask...there are many of us who think like me who will not stop until the real culprits of 911 are brought to justice..brave firemen were murdered trying to save lives in them twin towers and i have tapes of them saying the fires were under control just before the explosions went off...

Intbel · 12-04-2005, 10:16 PM

Thanks for the video clip which I have added to my collection.

Also recommended to d'load are the recordings of the Citizens' Commission on 9/11 which asks the questions which were not asked at the official commission. (Total six hours) The folks involved in this second commission are not eejits - they are respected qualified people and all evidence is given under oath.

I first became interested in the events iof 9/11 when I watched the video of one of the buildings collapsing - it looked so much like a controlled demolition - that was the first thought which entered my mind.
Since then I have scoured the web for all the evidence available both for and against the official version of events.

My conclusion is that the official version is a pack of lies.

The truth may well be beyond belief, or rather, beyond folks' ability to accept. However, I hve been a student of NWO and Illuminati theory for many years and have spent many hours sifting verifiable fact from fanciful subjective conclusions.

Yes, there is a conspiracy theory and yes there is a conspiracy.

The US govt. has conspired to put out a theory which is unnacceptable, makes no sense and defies logic.

Exactly what are the answers I know not.
The NWO conspiracy is an open secret and its perpetrators worry not for they know most folks will dismiss it as theory ... as so unrealistic it can be dismissed.

The holocaust could have been prevented ... unfortunately it was not because the information coming over was not believed ... it was considered too far-fetched.

Similarly the facts ... the facts, not opinions ... ofthe events surrounding 9/11 are also dismissed.

Just take the verifiable facts ... only the facts and form your own conclusions using pure logic.

Many folks will not do this ... they get so far and stop for the logicical conclusion leads to something they are unable to accept.

The sheeple of America are in denial, as always ... which is why the Pretzelman got re-elected. Rather, he got elected - the first time he was just appointed. (And I have my doubts about the legitimacy of the second result as well)

What has this to do with UKIP?

Plenty!!!

It has plenty to do with all members of our government (soon, some UKIP members will also be members of our govt) and has plenty to do with opinion formers everywhere.

No scientist ... no person who is capable of objectively, disspassionately disseminating evidence can possibly examine the facts of the events of 9/11 without concluding that something is very, very wrong.

And having done so, keeping quiet about their findings makes them complicit in the conspiracy to mislead Americans and the whole world.

The EU is also part of the NWO and in this respect concerns UKIP specifically.

Rant over - thank you for your attention.

mason-free party · 13-04-2005, 09:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Intbel

Thanks for the video clip which I have added to my collection.

Also recommended to d'load are the recordings of the Citizens' Commission on 9/11 which asks the questions which were not asked at the official commission. (Total six hours) The folks involved in this second commission are not eejits - they are respected qualified people and all evidence is given under oath.

I first became interested in the events iof 9/11 when I watched the video of one of the buildings collapsing - it looked so much like a controlled demolition - that was the first thought which entered my mind.
Since then I have scoured the web for all the evidence available both for and against the official version of events.

Nice to know there are others out there who think likewise...good post mate!
My conclusion is that the official version is a pack of lies.

The truth may well be beyond belief, or rather, beyond folks' ability to accept. However, I hve been a student of NWO and Illuminati theory for many years and have spent many hours sifting verifiable fact from fanciful subjective conclusions.

Yes, there is a conspiracy theory and yes there is a conspiracy.

The US govt. has conspired to put out a theory which is unnacceptable, makes no sense and defies logic.

Exactly what are the answers I know not.
The NWO conspiracy is an open secret and its perpetrators worry not for they know most folks will dismiss it as theory ... as so unrealistic it can be dismissed.

The holocaust could have been prevented ... unfortunately it was not because the information coming over was not believed ... it was considered too far-fetched.

Similarly the facts ... the facts, not opinions ... ofthe events surrounding 9/11 are also dismissed.

Just take the verifiable facts ... only the facts and form your own conclusions using pure logic.

Many folks will not do this ... they get so far and stop for the logicical conclusion leads to something they are unable to accept.

The sheeple of America are in denial, as always ... which is why the Pretzelman got re-elected. Rather, he got elected - the first time he was just appointed. (And I have my doubts about the legitimacy of the second result as well)

What has this to do with UKIP?

Plenty!!!

It has plenty to do with all members of our government (soon, some UKIP members will also be members of our govt) and has plenty to do with opinion formers everywhere.

No scientist ... no person who is capable of objectively, disspassionately disseminating evidence can possibly examine the facts of the events of 9/11 without concluding that something is very, very wrong.

And having done so, keeping quiet about their findings makes them complicit in the conspiracy to mislead Americans and the whole world.

The EU is also part of the NWO and in this respect concerns UKIP specifically.

Rant over - thank you for your attention.

12-04-2005, 09:36 AM	#12 (permalink)
mason-free party Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 22	there's no conspiracy except in Bush's government...watch the video clip and alter your thinking before its too late..if you are still in truth denial after watching it then you have a real problem.. I think we should do copies of this clip and distribute it to every British MP before the next general election...its only 22 mins long but says it all...well done Alex! http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles...groundzero.htm _________________ VOTE MASON-FREE PARTY...FOR TRUE DEMOCRACY http://www.mindcontrolforums.com/pro...uk/part_6.html __________________ 911 was the biggest lie in human history..Bush\'s new Reichstag and the people fell for it again! http://www.reopen911.org http://sheepwaker.tripod.com/4sheep02.html

12-04-2005, 12:13 PM	#13 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 30,604	Why do you trust this guy Alex Jones so much? I don't doubt he comes up with some interesting stuff, but following one mans opinions as if they were the cast iron truth, is little better than following Bliar. Why stop at Jones, David Icke takes it on another level and says we are being ruled by space lizards. He has loads of proof too, do you think we are ruled nby space lizards? If not, why not? __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

12-04-2005, 01:42 PM	#15 (permalink)
mason-free party Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 22	you still won't address the issue of WTC 7 and why it came down?...something tells me you are scared to or you belong to the Silverstein clan..typical of the 1930's when Hitler and his henchmen did what they liked and the public just ignored it...quite frankly you are all pathetic...god help humanity! __________________ 911 was the biggest lie in human history..Bush\'s new Reichstag and the people fell for it again! http://www.reopen911.org http://sheepwaker.tripod.com/4sheep02.html

12-04-2005, 04:07 PM	#16 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 30,604	Your wild acusations against us without any proof is all I need to know. You are not to be taken seriously. As for WTC 7, I have know idea why it came down, I wasn't there so I can't say for sure why. Making up reasons might be fun, but it isn't particularly productive. __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

12-04-2005, 06:53 PM	#18 (permalink)
mason-free party Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 22	watch the 22 minute clip...thats all i ask...there are many of us who think like me who will not stop until the real culprits of 911 are brought to justice..brave firemen were murdered trying to save lives in them twin towers and i have tapes of them saying the fires were under control just before the explosions went off... __________________ 911 was the biggest lie in human history..Bush\'s new Reichstag and the people fell for it again! http://www.reopen911.org http://sheepwaker.tripod.com/4sheep02.html

12-04-2005, 07:52 AM	#11 (permalink)
Lafayette Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 114	Mr. Butcher is correct. There was no great sentiment in Britain to join in the Iraq War. PM Blair took you all INTO phpbb_it against the will of the people. Don't blame the UKIP or any member of this board for what was not their doing. I have been coming to this board for quite some time and I have seen no one that I can remember who thought Iraq was a good idea. Almost to the man and woman, they saw it as a mistake. I do not care for President Bush, but to say 9/11 was his Reichstag is just silly. Though it pains me to admit it in a board that is centered in what to me is a foreign country, 9/11 was "blowback" for several decades of meddling in the Middle East and bad foreign policy. Realistically, the United States has economic interests to look after, but apparently we looked after them in all the wrong ways. I can respect you for mistrusting my government and your own government, but indulging in conspiracy theories does nothing to promote your cause. There are so many reasons to mistrust that aren't related to theories about Seven Jewish Bankers, Zionist puppet masters, the New World Order, or whatever else the paranoid imagination can create.

12-04-2005, 12:23 PM	#14 (permalink)
C_steam Super Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Paddling up 5hit creek..... Posts: 7,509	Matt - please stop. You're just being lizardist.

12-04-2005, 05:55 PM	#17 (permalink)
C_steam Super Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Paddling up 5hit creek..... Posts: 7,509	There were seven of them?

12-04-2005, 10:16 PM	#19 (permalink)
Intbel Uber Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: In a field near you - look for the yellow and purple tent ... Posts: 4,665	Thanks for the video clip which I have added to my collection. Also recommended to d'load are the recordings of the Citizens' Commission on 9/11 which asks the questions which were not asked at the official commission. (Total six hours) The folks involved in this second commission are not eejits - they are respected qualified people and all evidence is given under oath. I first became interested in the events iof 9/11 when I watched the video of one of the buildings collapsing - it looked so much like a controlled demolition - that was the first thought which entered my mind. Since then I have scoured the web for all the evidence available both for and against the official version of events. My conclusion is that the official version is a pack of lies. The truth may well be beyond belief, or rather, beyond folks' ability to accept. However, I hve been a student of NWO and Illuminati theory for many years and have spent many hours sifting verifiable fact from fanciful subjective conclusions. Yes, there is a conspiracy theory and yes there is a conspiracy. The US govt. has conspired to put out a theory which is unnacceptable, makes no sense and defies logic. Exactly what are the answers I know not. The NWO conspiracy is an open secret and its perpetrators worry not for they know most folks will dismiss it as theory ... as so unrealistic it can be dismissed. The holocaust could have been prevented ... unfortunately it was not because the information coming over was not believed ... it was considered too far-fetched. Similarly the facts ... the facts, not opinions ... ofthe events surrounding 9/11 are also dismissed. Just take the verifiable facts ... only the facts and form your own conclusions using pure logic. Many folks will not do this ... they get so far and stop for the logicical conclusion leads to something they are unable to accept. The sheeple of America are in denial, as always ... which is why the Pretzelman got re-elected. Rather, he got elected - the first time he was just appointed. (And I have my doubts about the legitimacy of the second result as well) What has this to do with UKIP? Plenty!!! It has plenty to do with all members of our government (soon, some UKIP members will also be members of our govt) and has plenty to do with opinion formers everywhere. No scientist ... no person who is capable of objectively, disspassionately disseminating evidence can possibly examine the facts of the events of 9/11 without concluding that something is very, very wrong. And having done so, keeping quiet about their findings makes them complicit in the conspiracy to mislead Americans and the whole world. The EU is also part of the NWO and in this respect concerns UKIP specifically. Rant over - thank you for your attention. __________________ We are all free to choose - every step of the way - no exceptions.

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