Gareth

I think that's why Knapman came across so badly, he didn't offer anyone anything. It was a case of 'We don't want these assemblies but we offer no solution to the constitutional mess that Prescott has created."

A better argument would be to suggest that Lord Barnett gets back to work and creates a formula that addresses the social needs of all the people of the UK rather than just the Celtic nations. The policy of an English Parliament would give him something positive for English people to vote for instead of just being against everything. There is no doubt that the people in the North East do feel that they are peripheral. They look across the border and, unsurprisingly, want a bit of the funding largesse that Scotland enjoys.

I think that this article from a 2003 sums up the problem
http://icnewcastle.icnetwork.co.uk/0...l&siteid=50081

If you look at the second page 'How we're losing out' you can see quite easily that UKIP offer nothing to remedy these problems.

The third page, if you can be bothered to read that far, makes even more interesting reading. The view is that if the NE had the funding of Scotland they could upgrade the A1 - as someone who has driven down this many times I can assure you they have a point. Instead of offering an English Parliament, with power over England's transport - and an English transport minister (instead of Darling, a Scot, presiding over an English ministerial post) UKIP just say that we should keep the money we presently give to Europe. Well, we should but not everyone agrees with that and the people of the North East, like people all over England, want to end policy making by Scottish dictate.

The first party to tackle the English question to the satisfaction of the English public will reap a goldmine. I hear the Tories are on the verge, let's face it they are a busted flush in Scotland and Wales anyway.

mkpdavies

I still think you guys would be better off joining UKIP en-mass and putting your case within a party that may have a chance of getting us out of the EU. If we don't come out of the EU your valid arguments will be irrelevent. I think UKIP could well be moulded on this issue,I certainly am, but we will never take our eye off the main danger of becoming dissolved INTO phpbb_the corrupt EU.

Come on EDP, come and join us and help make it possible that your dream of English self rule stays alive.

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Dear MKP Davies

Let me know the best 'approach' to merge UKIP & English Democrats and I will put it to the English Democrats National Council.

As I said above, unfortunately our 'front door' approaches to UKIP have not been very unproductive as the UKIP National Executive wish to maitain the Status Quo.

- I agree that a combined approach would have more impact.

ED

mkpdavies

Do as RKS did. Get all of your members to join as a united gorup. Once in you can then put your preffered candidates and characters forward for whatever positions you want. With a thousand lpeople you will probably have a chance of getting a real say in the party.

There are all kinds of factions already in the UKIP, a coalition of people from all walks of life, all dedicated to getting us out of the EU. We have Liberals, Conservatives, and many other types. Each group puts it's candidates forward and the whole membership decide what is best for the whole party.

You may well sway the party to your way of thinking over English home rule.

It doesn't have to involve the current leadership at all. Who knows they may not be at the helm for much longer anyway, get in now and you could have a say over who it is! You could even call yourself the ED wing of UKIP.

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Biscuitman

I'm not bothered either way whether we have an english parliament or not, I just wish we didnt have any Scots in Westminster in the first place... scottish politicians for Scotland i say.

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ldatakiller

Can I agree with that or wot Biscuitman. No Scots in Westminster, that's for me.

I have nothing against Scots, but I do not see why ANY Country should have the ability to effect policies in another Country by being a member of their Parliament. I might just as well say that we should not have English in the Scots parliament (ohh we don't do we).

mkpdavies

The issue I have is, them having both their own parliment, and MP's in Westminster. It should be one or the other. How the current situation was allowed to happen is another damning indictment on this Labour government. They shouldn't be allowed to run a village shop, never mind the country!

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rjt

It might have escaped your notice but Westminister is the home of the UK Parliamnent and last time I took a Geography lesson that includes Scotland!

FredSucks

Dear RJT

Yes this is quite right

Either we have one British Parliament - for all the people of the United Kingdom

or

We have devolution for all Four Countries in the United Kingdom, and a Federal System to deal with Foreign Policy and Defence.

The current 'farce' introduced by the Labour Government is unfair on England and risks breaking up England INTO phpbb_9 Regions.

Many people don't want regional devolution for England, then want England to be maitained as a Nation within the United Kingdom.

Joshua Aird

I have to say I agree with English Democrat, I once had a Welsh person tell me how much better their education system is then the English one, well that's because we in England are paying for it.

And the idea of Scotland having two Parliaments, one for Scottish issues and then the London based Parliament for UK matters, it's just another complete and utter waste of taxpayers money creating more beaurocracy then we already have (like we need it).

I heard earlier in the year Northern Ireland send the UK government £1 for every £3 that is spent there, we are running the UK at a massive loss but that loss could be diminished if we were to lose some "dead weight" as it were.

Disclaimer: I have nothing against the Scots, Irish or Welsh, my Grandfather is Scottish and I actually grew up in South Africa so this isn't about race or even nationality, this is about efficiency and having the smallest government possible.

Josh