Hello everybody

Clippo · 13-10-2004, 08:47 PM

Just a short note to introduce myself. I am a retired ex scientist who is thoroughly fed up with the way British politicians of all parties have run the UK since basically WW2. I've never been so politically motivated in my whole life as I am now and I'm even though people who disagree with my views might dismiss me as a grumpy old git, I don't care. I don't believe politics is a simple left , midlle, right thing - it is multidimensional and none of the current MPs seem to consult their constituents on key topics like EU membership, Crime & punishment, immigration etc. etc. Our system of representation dates back, what 350yrs ? to when communication was basically as fast as a horse could run. I'm in favour of MPs holding regular polls, call them opion polls or referenda whatever you want to but then them voting on the majority view, not the views of a few party managers.

mkpdavies · 15-10-2004, 07:46 AM

I agree, I don't in anyway feel "represented" by my MP or even my council! They have never asked me what I think, and when I write they either ignore me, or send me a standard fob off letter.

Robert Edwards · 18-10-2004, 06:10 AM

Our system of government is not democratic. It is parliamentarian.
The difference being that in a democratic society (such as the Greek City States) decisions were made through referunda. Populations were much smaller then and only one section of society had a say, anyway.
In a parliamentary system, we elect people to act on our behalf ... that is to say, represent us.
There is no point whinging in between those elections. You can only prepare for the next one.
Most people do not understand nor choose to participate in government. That is the weakness of democracy. We also live in a complex society with a growing population consisting of so many different interest groups. Thus, politics is involved in a balancing act, trying to please everyone all at once. Impossible!

Sincerely,

Robert Edwards

MrMoor · 18-10-2004, 10:58 PM

Who says we need to follow the Westminster parliament, most of them seem to be quite happy either in government or out of government, they get their pensions, holidays, pay and perks. Why would they want others coming in to rock to boat? The cartel occupying parliament is stopping anyone from making headway and putting an end to their gravy train, they have the might of the law and the media to repel boarders.
We should not feel limited to gaining representation through the medium of the commons alone, there are other ways.

Albion · 22-11-2004, 09:24 AM

Hello to All Fellow Patriots. Nice To See A Few Good Men(& Women) Have The Courage To Step Out Of The Right Wing Fold And Dare To Be Different It Takes A Few To Stand Out And Others Will Folow And The Patriotic Movement Will Gather Momentum.
Just A Thought: We Dont Have To Sacrifice Control Of Our Nations Own Destiny To Enter The Future And Move Forward. We Don't Have To Burn Our Flag In Order To Survive.

deanuwe · 22-11-2004, 09:38 AM

Currently British people are living under a dictatorship with Tony Blair able to do as he pleases with his majority behind him even if it means going against dominant public opinion and back bencher opinion (just throw them a deal to get their votes). Why do politicians moan about voter apathy every election...because the voter has less say than ever on what happens in westminster and it gets to the point where most people say 'whats the point'..time for a change i suggest!

Albion · 22-11-2004, 02:06 PM

The BNP won a victory of 52% out of 6 Candidates Plling almost twice Labours vote and all parties were working together in order to let Labor win( even UKIP-correct me if i'm wrong).
well that's democracy lets screw the election and let Labor win.
Thankfully the Labor-Tory-LibDem-Green-UKIP's undemocratic trick did not pay off.

Anthony Butcher · 22-11-2004, 02:10 PM

Do you have a source for that? If you are going to accuse UKIP of collaborating with Labour, then you have to back that up.

mkpdavies · 22-11-2004, 02:11 PM

UKIP don't collude with other parties, especially not the Labour party. Please give a link to the information you are basis this allegation on, and what election are we talking about anyway?

Robert Edwards · 23-11-2004, 10:46 AM

Albion is a BNP supporter who thinks that the UKIP is a conspiracy to rob the BNP of political power. Therefore UKIP must be an agency of the Establishment.
Of course, Albion has no source for his claims because it is all based on this conspiracy theory, dreamt up by the BNP leadership, for the purpose of explaining away the BNP's poor showing in the last European Elections when its leader, Nick Griffin, failed to win a seat in the European Parliament.
For many, the UKIP is a more respectable substitute for the more overtly racial BNP, as many points of policy do over-lap, principally their mutual call for withdrawal from the European Union.
It will be interesting to see how Albion responds to the call for evidence of his claims.

Sincerely,

Robert Edwards

13-10-2004, 08:47 PM	#1 (permalink)
Clippo Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Cheshire Posts: 1,982	Hello everybody Just a short note to introduce myself. I am a retired ex scientist who is thoroughly fed up with the way British politicians of all parties have run the UK since basically WW2. I've never been so politically motivated in my whole life as I am now and I'm even though people who disagree with my views might dismiss me as a grumpy old git, I don't care. I don't believe politics is a simple left , midlle, right thing - it is multidimensional and none of the current MPs seem to consult their constituents on key topics like EU membership, Crime & punishment, immigration etc. etc. Our system of representation dates back, what 350yrs ? to when communication was basically as fast as a horse could run. I'm in favour of MPs holding regular polls, call them opion polls or referenda whatever you want to but then them voting on the majority view, not the views of a few party managers.

15-10-2004, 07:46 AM	#2 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 30,604	I agree, I don't in anyway feel "represented" by my MP or even my council! They have never asked me what I think, and when I write they either ignore me, or send me a standard fob off letter. __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

22-11-2004, 09:38 AM	#6 (permalink)
deanuwe Newbie Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: England Posts: 6	Currently British people are living under a dictatorship with Tony Blair able to do as he pleases with his majority behind him even if it means going against dominant public opinion and back bencher opinion (just throw them a deal to get their votes). Why do politicians moan about voter apathy every election...because the voter has less say than ever on what happens in westminster and it gets to the point where most people say 'whats the point'..time for a change i suggest! __________________ \'I am then, in the strict sense only a thing that thinks; that is, I am mind, or intelligence, or intellect, or reason...\'

22-11-2004, 02:11 PM	#9 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 30,604	UKIP don't collude with other parties, especially not the Labour party. Please give a link to the information you are basis this allegation on, and what election are we talking about anyway? __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

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18-10-2004, 06:10 AM	#3 (permalink)
Robert Edwards Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Ramsgate, Kent, UK Posts: 1,048	Our system of government is not democratic. It is parliamentarian. The difference being that in a democratic society (such as the Greek City States) decisions were made through referunda. Populations were much smaller then and only one section of society had a say, anyway. In a parliamentary system, we elect people to act on our behalf ... that is to say, represent us. There is no point whinging in between those elections. You can only prepare for the next one. Most people do not understand nor choose to participate in government. That is the weakness of democracy. We also live in a complex society with a growing population consisting of so many different interest groups. Thus, politics is involved in a balancing act, trying to please everyone all at once. Impossible! Sincerely, Robert Edwards

18-10-2004, 10:58 PM	#4 (permalink)
MrMoor Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 259	Who says we need to follow the Westminster parliament, most of them seem to be quite happy either in government or out of government, they get their pensions, holidays, pay and perks. Why would they want others coming in to rock to boat? The cartel occupying parliament is stopping anyone from making headway and putting an end to their gravy train, they have the might of the law and the media to repel boarders. We should not feel limited to gaining representation through the medium of the commons alone, there are other ways.

22-11-2004, 09:24 AM	#5 (permalink)
Albion Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 77	Hello to All Fellow Patriots. Nice To See A Few Good Men(& Women) Have The Courage To Step Out Of The Right Wing Fold And Dare To Be Different It Takes A Few To Stand Out And Others Will Folow And The Patriotic Movement Will Gather Momentum. Just A Thought: We Dont Have To Sacrifice Control Of Our Nations Own Destiny To Enter The Future And Move Forward. We Don't Have To Burn Our Flag In Order To Survive.

22-11-2004, 02:06 PM	#7 (permalink)
Albion Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 77	The BNP won a victory of 52% out of 6 Candidates Plling almost twice Labours vote and all parties were working together in order to let Labor win( even UKIP-correct me if i'm wrong). well that's democracy lets screw the election and let Labor win. Thankfully the Labor-Tory-LibDem-Green-UKIP's undemocratic trick did not pay off.

22-11-2004, 02:10 PM	#8 (permalink)
Anthony Butcher Administrator Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Long Ashton, Bristol Posts: 9,729 Party: None	Do you have a source for that? If you are going to accuse UKIP of collaborating with Labour, then you have to back that up.

23-11-2004, 10:46 AM	#10 (permalink)
Robert Edwards Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Ramsgate, Kent, UK Posts: 1,048	Albion is a BNP supporter who thinks that the UKIP is a conspiracy to rob the BNP of political power. Therefore UKIP must be an agency of the Establishment. Of course, Albion has no source for his claims because it is all based on this conspiracy theory, dreamt up by the BNP leadership, for the purpose of explaining away the BNP's poor showing in the last European Elections when its leader, Nick Griffin, failed to win a seat in the European Parliament. For many, the UKIP is a more respectable substitute for the more overtly racial BNP, as many points of policy do over-lap, principally their mutual call for withdrawal from the European Union. It will be interesting to see how Albion responds to the call for evidence of his claims. Sincerely, Robert Edwards