Thread: Brown and Sarkozy snub the Queen over D-Day

Originally Posted by Peter Dow

BBC: Obama wants Queen at D-Day event
The White House spokesman the other day was all in favour of the French inviting Queen Elizabeth to Normandy for the 65th anniversary commemoration of the D-Day Normandy invasion to liberate Europe and to defeat the Nazis.

It is daft for the US to want the Queen invited, to anything! Stupid!

Obama is going to this D-day event on the coast of France. Sarkozy's going. Brown is going. Apparently there has been some mix up leading to no timely invite for the Queen. Good! She should be banned from attending - as should all members of the UK royal family.

The Queen should not be invited.

Americans have got monarchy to blame for the Al Qaeda 9/11 attacks provoked, encouraged or otherwise caused by monarchs and dictators in "Muslim" countries.

The Queen's Uncle Edward, the Duke of Windsor and ex-King was a Nazi sympathiser who is thought to have spied and leaked to the Nazis the deployments of the French forces which enabled the Wehrmacht to penetrate the Maginot line through the Ardennes and led ultimately to the fall of France.

Queen Elizabeth's husband Philip - his sister married a Nazi SS Colonel.

The monarchy is the enemy - they hate democracy and republics which have no need of royalty and the royals love and support what the Nazis did to their German republican critics - exterminate them as they would exterminate us if they could.

So wake up America!

Stop inviting the Queen to things! The worst was when Bush invited the Queen to the White House!

The Queen's predecessors as monarchs allowed the sabotaging of the British army to the point where we could not even easily defend our nearest and best ally France.

All the deaths of WW2 have to be blamed on the UK monarchy for allowing a British world power built not on monarchy but on the genius of the industrial revolution to fall into disrepair and disorganisation and ending up as a runt hapless army that got kicked out of Europe at Dunkirk.

The industrial revolution should have been followed by a republican revolution so the British military would have become a republican force for democracy world-wide as the US military is today.

To keep Britain as a Kingdom was to sabotage the British army long term, so even admitting that the Queen changed the wheels on a few army trucks in World War 2, the whole army was and is today still weakened by monarchy.

So that makes the Queen and her family traitors.

If the royals want to help the British military today then they should go into exile.

Well it looks like instead of the traitor Queen Elizabeth, her traitor son, the Traitor Prince Charles will be allowed to attend the D-day event - just as bad, just as stupid.

BBC: Charles invited to D-Day events

The only thing that sounds like a traitor is YOU.

Originally Posted by John Wolf

Yes it lost at lot of idle brave men and takes the pride for massacre operations on whole German City's such as Dresden. Truly Honourable.

Let's give all the old b******* new medals, they truly deserve them.....

Dresden was a direct order of the British Government. In 1953, Joseph W. Angell wrote in his report for the American Air Force "defended the operation as the justified bombing of a military and industrial target, which was a major rail transportation and communication centre, housing 110 factories and 50,000 workers in support of the German war effort".

I'm certain that the British Army/RAF does not take pride in the bombing of Dresden and holding a "grudge" against an organisation whose current employees were not even born when this occured is absurd and shows your lack of maturity IMO.

The person to blame for the bombings of Dresden was ultimately Winston Churchill; those who dropped the bombs were no more than pawns fulfilling their duty for their country against a regime that was a threat to the stability of Europe.

The first reason you put forth is unbeknown to me. I certainly know the United States flexed their military 'muscle' to show Stalin that they meant business, ergo it is not unfeasible to suggest that Britain attempted to send the same message to Stalin that Truman & co sent with the conventional fire-bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki which lead to the use of the first and second Atomic Bomb some weeks after.

However (there is always a however with me) I would have thought the successful operation known as operation Chastise would have sent an even larger message to Stalin then the bombing of Dresden could or would have.

Your second point is what Charles Portal suggested in 1941, he adovcated the entire destruction of Germany cities and towns to demoralize the Germans into surrender. Air Marshall Harris agreed to this and after he became RAF Bomber Command sometime around 1942/1943; he implemented policy of area bombing much like the Germans did to London in what was known as the Blitz, could Charles Portal's suggestion be in retaliation to the Germans breach of the Geneva Convention? Most likely is the answer I would present. Surely the London Blitz was as much a war crime as the bombing of Dresden? Or do we simply ignore it because the German ended up losing their entire country to conventional bombing?

Your disgust at the bombing of Dresden, a method used by both the Americans, British and Germans, as well as the Japanese who seemed to be obsessed with kamikaze attacks is IMO misplaced. Those who served in the RAF during World War II are not to blame for what happened to Dresden. The blames lies squarely at the feet of those who ordered the RAF fighter pilots to drop incendiary bombs onto Dresden.

P.S (The bombing of Dresden had little to do with the British Empire. A) The Empire was on its hind legs and faltering hastly. B) There was nothing in Germany to seize, unless 42,000 bottles of the finest wines from Hitlers "get-away" palace in the Austrian hills was something Churchill wanted to seize, which is highly unlikely considering he was a whisky drinker.

And what's your point?

I know that you would love to have a republic, but you seem to forget that we tried that for 11 years and went straight back to a monarchy.