Thread: The Fluttering Flag of Jehad

S.B;

The other day, I saw something strange and paradoxical, a woman in a Burka shopping in Marks and Spencers. And I think that really points up the real paradox at the heart of the Islamicists' problem. What is their attitude towards the west? Is it co-existence or conflict?

Marks' summer collection isn't up to much. Let's plump for the latter.

The first pattern, is that of Gaza. For many years, Gaza has essentially been a fenced off compound, a prison camp for Hezbollah and the Palestinians.

Hamas, actually. Hizb'allah are the ragged-assed freedom fighters who've beaten the Zionist military intent twice.

The hostility shown by the west towards the Muslim is absolute. Nothing is left.

Yes, Judeo-christians showed the same contempt for life at Nagasaki and Hiroshima. The Japanese will, no doubt, also have their revenge at some later date.

The future for Islam, should it choose the other road, co-existence, resembles conditions in places like Dubai or Jordan, westernised countries where Islamic extremism becomes irrelevant. Extremism withers away, but so to does Islam itself. People living under these conditions are gradually absorbed into the west.

You don't appear aware that places such as Jordon,Dubai and Egypt control their populations with brutality in exchange for dollars. I'd say that you will definitely see a turnaround in the fortunes of such places in the lifetimes of Bush and Blair.

agni;

This is the Pakistan Taliban leader Mullah Sufi Mohammed, who sent 10,000 Taliban fighters to fight the Americans in 2001.
His son in law, Mullah Qazi Fazlullah, sends the suicide bombers into Pak cities.

Being photographed, video taped is un-Islamic: TNSM chief
Quote:any duplicated image of a person, whether a “still picture or video” was un-Islamic. Referring to the various systems of governance, he said democracy, communism, socialism and fascism were all un-Islamic. He also said there was no need for a constitution in the country in the presence of the Quran and Sunnah, adding these were the “biggest laws” available to humanity. Focusing on democracy, he said it was un-Islamic, as infidels invented it.

Quote:On the status of women in a Taliban-run society, he said women were not allowed to come out of their house for any reason other than to perform Haj. However, he added, a female patient was allowed to visit a male doctor to seek a cure for her ailments.

This is the world Catholic church leader, pope Ratzo, apologizing for innumerable incidents of his priests' sexual abuse and buggery of children in their charge over many years;

Pope Benedict XVI used unusually strong language today in condemning the sexual abuse of children by Australia's Catholic clergy, reports the AP. The pontiff said the clergy's "grave betrayal of trust" had damaged the Catholic church. "I am deeply sorry for the pain and suffering the victims have endured. I assure them as their pastor that I, too, share in their suffering," Benedict said during a mass in Sydney. "Those responsible for these evils must be brought to justice."

Groups supporting victims said words alone were not good enough, and urged the church to stop fighting compensation claims in court.

Pope Apologizes for 'Evil' Clergy Sex Abuse - World News Briefs | Newser

VATICAN CITY — Pope Benedict XVI apologized Wednesday to native Canadians who were physically and sexually abused at church-run boarding schools they were forced to attend, saying he was sorry for their anguish and was praying they would heal.
Pope Apologizes For Canadian Aboriginals Abused In Catholic Schools

WASHINGTON — Pope Benedict XVI told America’s Roman Catholic leaders Wednesday evening that the clergy sex abuse scandal has sometimes been “very badly handled,” his harshest criticism yet regarding the crisis that has badly damaged the U.S. church.

Pope say US sex abuse scandal badly handled | PinOy SPY!

Better retitle the thread- The fluttering condoms of Catholicism.

But Homosexual Pedophilia was never the official policy or canon law of the Catholic church.

Who cares ? Your effort to smear the whole of Islam with a few well-circulated anomalies has crashed and burned. Flutter away.

Originally Posted by moon

Hamas, actually. Hizb'allah are the ragged-assed freedom fighters who've beaten the Zionist military intent twice..

Which is why large parts of the Lebanon were left as smouldering ruins, I suppose.

You are confusing destruction with victory. It's a common error made by over-equipped forces fighting against resistance groups.

Originally Posted by moon

You are confusing destruction with victory. It's a common error made by over-equipped forces fighting against resistance groups.

It's all the same to the gravediggers. In what sense is the destruction of Lebanon, or the destruction of Gaza, a 'victory' for Islam? It isn't.

Above I wrote:

Originally Posted by Booth

'Time is long' and the reprisals are a coming (but not in T. Blair or G. W. Bush's lifetimes) but in the mean time the people rejecting the west and the zionist conspiracy can go shopping in M + S. But will there be anything left of Radical Islam by then?

You need to think about the question: If this rate of destruction continues, What will be left of Radical Islam?

It seems to me that you are ignoring the point made above re the three patterns under the conflict condition; namely Gaza, Srebrnica or Arnariya. If the extremists persist on the course they have set, nothing you have argued on here thus far contradicts my opinion that the consequences for them fall into these three patterns.

I think the current level at which the Islamic extremists can fight against the west is characterised thus:

Originally Posted by BBC

A Palestinian man has driven a bulldozer into a bus and several cars in Jerusalem, killing three people, before being shot dead.

Dozens of people were hurt, at least seven critically, in the rampage on Jaffa Road, in the city centre.

A police officer shot the driver of the bulldozer dead after a struggle in the vehicle's cab.

BBC NEWS | World | Middle East | Deadly Jerusalem bulldozer attack


At this level of activity, they are just not going to prevail against the West.

S.B;

It's all the same to the gravediggers. In what sense is the destruction of Lebanon, or the destruction of Gaza, a 'victory' for Islam? It isn't.

No, it is you that would like to claim destruction as a victory for Zionism. It isn't. The ideology which drives Hizb'allah and Hamas is simply strengthened by the application of American war materials through its client State. That, surely, must be evident to everybody.

What will be left of Radical Islam?

Hizb'allah and Hamas are not 'radical Islam' ( which in itself is an oxymoron ) Hizb'allah and Hamas are simply doing what you and I would do to defend our countries against invasion. The invaders might like to call us ' radicals' but we'd just be freedom fighters doing our bit. Would you accept the Nazis calling the Home Guard 'radicals' ?

A Palestinian man has driven a bulldozer into a bus and several cars in Jerusalem, killing three people, before being shot dead.

You clearly know nothing of the history of the mistreatment of this individual and his family or you wouldn't even consider posting this to make some sort of 'point'. Zionists kill Palestinians on almost a daily basis. Waving a bit of retaliatory activity in an effort to make it a 'terrorist' act is slightly daft. The mugger mugs, the victim defends himself.

No, not absurd at all. The anomalies to which you incessantly refer, probably delivered to your inbox by Megaphone or some such hasbara disseminator , merely inflate your own anti-Islamism at the expense of reality.

You should also take the time to note that nothing I post is 'anti-jewish'. I am opposed to a brutal and fascist doctine- Zionism- not judaism in any shape or form. Even as anti-judaism gets more widespread, which the activities of nationalist Zionists will ensure, you'll find me defending judaism, not admonishing it. I'll take any further reference to me as ' anti-jewish' as a personal insult. You now have no excuse.

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