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Old 21-05-2008, 02:41 AM   #11 (permalink)
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BonnieDundee, I would venture to say that laws regarding property exist because property itself exists, not the other way around. Any definition we give of property is merely capturing a reality - the question is, which system best captures this?
However that does not proof that the current system is best or "natural" or whatever in all circumstances, which is largely my point. It simply isn't and adherence to a theory which tries to represent(although Lockean property rights are at odds with corporate property et al.) does not necessarily solve all human social and political problems in all places for all times.
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It is not merely an economic system. It is political: economic and social.
It impacts on these certainly.
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It impacts on these certainly.
It *is* these.

Capitalism is not possible without unrestricted individual liberty.
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Capitalism is a social system based on the recognition of individual rights, including property rights, in which all property is privately owned.

The recognition of individual rights entails the banishment of physical force from human relationships: basically, rights can be violated only by means of force. In a capitalist society, no man or group may initiate the use of physical force against others. The only function of the government, in such a society, is the task of protecting man’s rights, i.e., the task of protecting him from physical force; the government acts as the agent of man’s right of self-defense, and may use force only in retaliation and only against those who initiate its use; thus the government is the means of placing the retaliatory use of force under objective control.
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It *is* these.

Capitalism is not possible without unrestricted individual liberty.
It is not possible in its purest, lockean sense if these property rights are not followed to the letter perhaps. But the problem is that the definition of liberty and freedom as following right-lockean property rights is rather dubious.
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