Israel in a changing world.

The Bear · 12-05-2008, 02:55 PM

I wonder what the future is holding for little Israel.

With the sentiment for the country changing so much in part because of the things that the Israeli government have had to do (plus a few that they’ve done for their own reasons!) and that have been so adroitly “spun” by the Palestinian leadership and their apologists, I do see the risks growing for Israel.

Then there’s the changes taking place in the US.

Demographic changes with most of the population now knowing only what they’ve seen reported in recent years, and with little or no knowledge of what led up to the creation of Israel, a growing isolationalist view of things that do not directly work to the advantage of the US, and now the distinct possibility of Obama as the next president.

I do wonder if sometime early in Obama’s presidency an attack was to be made against Israel, and the events in the Lebanon not to mention the extending of the range of rockets being fired from The Gaza Strip and the amount of support coming into that region, it would look as if things could become very nasty indeed with the US refusing to get involved.

Especially if the oil weapon was to be used, and now the huge risk the US faces as a result of its massive foreign debt which also could be used to attack America.

After all, how long could the US manage if it’s currency was devalued by 30%, 400% or even more if “knock on’s” were factored into such an attack using the finance weapon.

I’m glad that I don’t live in Israel. I fancy things are about to get really nasty within the next 24 – 36 months.

HighlandFP · 12-05-2008, 03:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Bear

I wonder what the future is holding for little Israel.

>>> little gaz chambers?

With the sentiment for the country changing so much in part because of the things that the Israeli government have had to do (plus a few that they’ve done for their own reasons!) and that have been so adroitly “spun” by the Palestinian leadership and their apologists, I do see the risks growing for Israel.

>> Had to do?
You mean like shoot children in the back..........etc
Run over people like Rachel Corrie with bulldozers whendemolishing peoples hooses before stealing their land.

Then there’s the changes taking place in the US.

Demographic changes with most of the population now knowing only what they’ve seen reported in recent years, and with little or no knowledge of what led up to the creation of Israel, a growing isolationalist view of things that do not directly work to the advantage of the US, and now the distinct possibility of Obama as the next president.

I do wonder if sometime early in Obama’s presidency an attack was to be made against Israel, and the events in the Lebanon not to mention the extending of the range of rockets being fired from The Gaza Strip and the amount of support coming into that region, it would look as if things could become very nasty indeed with the US refusing to get involved.

>>> Obama see below

Especially if the oil weapon was to be used, and now the huge risk the US faces as a result of its massive foreign debt which also could be used to attack America.

After all, how long could the US manage if it’s currency was devalued by 30%, 400% or even more if “knock on’s” were factored into such an attack using the finance weapon.

I’m glad that I don’t live in Israel. I fancy things are about to get really nasty within the next 24 – 36 months.

The war was for your little country - Not for oil.

I’m glad that I don’t live in Israel. [lived there for 6 months]
Its very very nasty there today.

Obama

YouTube - The Trinity of Hell

The Bear · 12-05-2008, 03:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HighlandFP

The war was for your little country - Not for oil.

I’m glad that I don’t live in Israel. [lived there for 6 months]
Its very very nasty there today.

[/url]

Not my little country.

And what "shooting children in the back"?

Runing over people like Rachel Corrie with bulldozers when demolishing peoples hooses before stealing their land? Stealing what land? Maybe better to shell the firing points rather than destroy them with the minimum loss of life?

As for Rachel Corrie, if you get in the way of a military action then you get what military actions dole out.

I've been to Israel a couple of times, once nearly thirty years ago, and once ten years ago. I can take it or leave it but what I do know is that what makes it into our media is spun by the apologists for the "Palestinians" beyond all recognition of reality.

Hunter · 12-05-2008, 04:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Bear

Not my little country.

And what "shooting children in the back"?

I find it difficult to believe you're not aware of the incident in which around 90 Palestinian children (some as young as 9) were shot by IDF personnel for throwing stones at barricades. The telling fact is that most of the deaths were caused by head shots, showing the IDF were shooting to kill.

Quote:

As for Rachel Corrie, if you get in the way of a military action then you get what military actions dole out. It managed to get into the mainstream media for a couple of days before being 'dropped'.

Again, you obviously either ignore the news regarding this, or didn't bother to read the detail. Rachel was pinned to a wall by the bulldozer. When the bulldozer was pulled back, Rachel fell to the ground. The bulldozer driver then put the scoop on top of her and dragged it back, crushing her chest. That was murder, not military action.

Quote:

what I do know is that what makes it into our media is spun by the apologists for the "Palestinians" beyond all recognition of reality.

Amnesty International, where most of these reports have come from, are not 'apologists' for anyone so I find it a bit funny that you should make these claims about this organisation, of which I'm a member, without checking your facts.

Hunter · 12-05-2008, 04:40 PM

Perhaps you may also think that the 'news' about Israel switching off the power and water into what is laughingly called an independent state, is just another spin.

Are you aware of the most recent revelation that the illegal Israeli settlements are pumping their untreated sewage into Gaza, where it's causing a health hazard?

Yet they wonder why the Palestinians are objecting to their settlements. Everywhere in the UK one travels, there is always some form of reference to the Holocaust, in particular the Jewish Holocaust (ignoring the millions of Gypsies, Slavs, Poles, etc who were also murdered) with the intent to constantly remind us of that event. I wonder how long it will be before the world community latches on to the fact that Gaza has become the largest Concentration Camp ever made.

The Bear · 12-05-2008, 06:25 PM

I'll look at what I can find about the incidents that are raised but in the meantime how about the subject of the thread?

What price Israel in the near term?

libertylover · 13-05-2008, 04:05 AM

Highland, I watched this video on another website earlier. I wonder if the Rev.
Manning has proof of the Father Wright, Son Obama, and Holy Whore from the
Trinity from Hell being homosexuals. His comments might see his a$$ in court,
wouldn't you agree?

Mikeuk · 13-05-2008, 07:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Bear

Then there’s the changes taking place in the US.

Demographic changes with most of the population now knowing only what they’ve seen reported in recent years, and with little or no knowledge of what led up to the creation of Israel, a growing isolationalist view of things that do not directly work to the advantage of the US, and now the distinct possibility of Obama as the next president.

You mean America's becoming less 'white' and there's a prospect of a Black president.

All of a sudden that seems to pose a problem for you. Funny that.

You remind me of one of the far-right Zionists who decided to opt for links with apartheid South Africa.

The Bear · 13-05-2008, 07:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mikeuk

You mean America's becoming less 'white' and there's a prospect of a Black president.

All of a sudden that seems to pose a problem for you. Funny that.

No, it's nothng to do with the prospect of a black US president, that's certainly not a problem for me.

I see it as a very good move for non caucasians the world over and in the US in particular, but I DO see it as a possible problem for Israel, especially with the unfathomable background that Obama seems to have.

I also see the absence of a “European common bond” link between the non-white US population and Israel as a potential problem, and a further issue is what the younger generations actually KNOW about the reality of the war that has been getting waged against Israel since ’47.

For most of them, as well as for most people anywhere, all they see is a powerful military nation apparently kicking a bunch of impoverished poor at every opportunity.

What they don't not see or even know of are the events and circumstances that led up to it, especially the ineffectiveness of military might against a dedicated civilian militia, especially one that is more than ready to use its own civilians as weapons.

It’s funny really. On another thread the place of the Treaty of Versailles was raised as being the primary cause for the emergence of Nazism in Germany.

When we look at the middle east today it’s also pretty clear that the cack-handed way that the defeated Ottoman Empire was dismantled is to blame for so very much of the trouble.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mikeuk

You remind me of one of the far-right Zionists who decided to opt for links with apartheid South Africa.

You’re reading into my thoughts about the future of Israel what isn’t there.

What I started was a speculation of the effects that events in the coming, maybe even weeks in view of what Hezbollah are doing in The Lebanon, might have on Israel’s future in a changing world.

Hunter · 13-05-2008, 09:13 AM

Israel's future is dependent on the support it receives from the USA. Britain also plays a small part in supporting them.

A year or so a go, someone suggested Israel should be invited to join the EU. It didn't even get to the discussion stage. Shortly after that, it was suggested that the Arab States should be invited to join the EU. This was also rejected. No reason was ever given for this outright rejection, but I believe it was the result of Belgium being refered to as an 'insignificant little country' by the Israeli Government.

The comment made by Israel was in response to a 'request' for Ariel Sharon to be extradited for War Crimes and crimes against Humanity. The case details can be found in the following link should anyone be interested.

Indict Ariel Sharon - Justice for the Victims of Sabra & Shatila

Quote:

indictsharon.net is the website of the International Campaign for Justice for the Victims of Sabra & Shatila, offering news on the case lodged in Belgium against Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon and other Israelis and Lebanese responsible for the massacre, killing, rape and disappearance of civilians that took place in Beirut between 16 and 18 September 1982 in the camps of Sabra and Shatila and the surrounding area. Please link to this site.

The reason why I refer to this case is to show that it isn't only the Palestinians who have felt the brunt of Israeli displeasure. Many of the European governments know of this case, among others, yet will do nothing in the diplomatic field because of the 'anti-semite'/'anti-Israel' lobby.

So, in a nutshell, should the USA withdraw it's financial support to Israel (23 billion US Dollars) along with it's military support - Hilary Clinton's statement of wiping out any country that attacks Israel being an example - then Israel, in my opinion, would not have long to exist.

If they want to have the 'support' of the international community, they will have to clean up their act, and stop insulting and offending other Countries. Why else would a French Diplomat refer to Israel as "..that sh***y little country." Not the sort of comment usually made by members of the Diplomatic Corps of any country.

12-05-2008, 02:55 PM	#1 (permalink)
The Bear Uber Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: East Anglia Posts: 2,122	Israel in a changing world. I wonder what the future is holding for little Israel. With the sentiment for the country changing so much in part because of the things that the Israeli government have had to do (plus a few that they’ve done for their own reasons!) and that have been so adroitly “spun” by the Palestinian leadership and their apologists, I do see the risks growing for Israel. Then there’s the changes taking place in the US. Demographic changes with most of the population now knowing only what they’ve seen reported in recent years, and with little or no knowledge of what led up to the creation of Israel, a growing isolationalist view of things that do not directly work to the advantage of the US, and now the distinct possibility of Obama as the next president. I do wonder if sometime early in Obama’s presidency an attack was to be made against Israel, and the events in the Lebanon not to mention the extending of the range of rockets being fired from The Gaza Strip and the amount of support coming into that region, it would look as if things could become very nasty indeed with the US refusing to get involved. Especially if the oil weapon was to be used, and now the huge risk the US faces as a result of its massive foreign debt which also could be used to attack America. After all, how long could the US manage if it’s currency was devalued by 30%, 400% or even more if “knock on’s” were factored into such an attack using the finance weapon. I’m glad that I don’t live in Israel. I fancy things are about to get really nasty within the next 24 – 36 months. __________________ I am an old man. I have eaten much salt.

12-05-2008, 06:25 PM	#6 (permalink)
The Bear Uber Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: East Anglia Posts: 2,122	I'll look at what I can find about the incidents that are raised but in the meantime how about the subject of the thread? What price Israel in the near term? __________________ I am an old man. I have eaten much salt.

13-05-2008, 04:05 AM	#7 (permalink)
libertylover Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: central Arkansas, USA Posts: 127	Highland, I watched this video on another website earlier. I wonder if the Rev. Manning has proof of the Father Wright, Son Obama, and Holy Whore from the Trinity from Hell being homosexuals. His comments might see his a$$ in court, wouldn't you agree? __________________ “Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition”.

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Switch to Hybrid Mode Switch to Threaded Mode

12-05-2008, 04:40 PM	#5 (permalink)
Hunter Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 712	Perhaps you may also think that the 'news' about Israel switching off the power and water into what is laughingly called an independent state, is just another spin. Are you aware of the most recent revelation that the illegal Israeli settlements are pumping their untreated sewage into Gaza, where it's causing a health hazard? Yet they wonder why the Palestinians are objecting to their settlements. Everywhere in the UK one travels, there is always some form of reference to the Holocaust, in particular the Jewish Holocaust (ignoring the millions of Gypsies, Slavs, Poles, etc who were also murdered) with the intent to constantly remind us of that event. I wonder how long it will be before the world community latches on to the fact that Gaza has become the largest Concentration Camp ever made.