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youcanhandlethetruth · 03-06-2008, 02:42 AM

Now now H, Tanny has a good heart I'm sure.

Maybe being honest doesn't sit well on a person's cv anymore......

Remember you don't need to be part of the rat-race for some heartless corporation to contribute to your fellow human kind.

Hartlepool · 04-06-2008, 01:49 AM

You misread my post ychtt,I was being friendly and refering to her previous post on her own doublespeak remark.

tito · 04-06-2008, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by youcanhandlethetruth
Who are we at war with exactly ?

Remind me of the declaration of war that supports your claim..........

The vague responses above just prove that neither Bear nor Tito can provide a simple answer to a simple question. (and if you know of them you can fully understand why they cannot too).

Tito is particularly laughable by the fact that he claims I am talking rubbish by asking a simple question - if someone stopped me in the street and asked me the time, would I accuse the person of talking rubbish ?
Er - hello, are you trying to be a total moron because you seem to be succeeding....

I suggest you learn to understand basic logic and English Tito before you start talking through your backside about comments that weren't even made in the first place !

Notice how both Bear and Tito use illusive words like "those", "their", "states", "people", "organisations".

At least if either of them had said "Al-Quaeda" or "Islam" we could have at least had a debate about it (no matter that it would have been totally innacurate as well as I have proved in numerous posts beforehand).

But anyone with an ounce of intelligence is aware that the fact that there is shadowy enemy that can never be named (let alone defeated) is the whole point why the "war on terror" is a complete, shambolic and sick lie.

I have no idea how someone who just narrowly evades the grounds for being mentally institutionalised claims to speak for those with an ounce of intelligence.
It wasn't just a question though, it was an implication made through rhetoric. You asked me to remind you who we are at war with, and then said that I needed to qualify my answer with a declaration of war. Logically that means that I cannot answer your question to your standards unless an official declaration of war has been made.This means that you think war is impossible without declarations.

Now, objectively, I believe a couple of well placed nuclear weapons on Tehran and Mecca would be the best solution right now.

Internationalist · 04-06-2008, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by tito

You asked me to remind you who we are at war with, and then said that I needed to qualify my answer with a declaration of war. Logically that means that I cannot answer your question to your standards unless an official declaration of war has been made.This means that you think war is impossible without declarations.

tito, you will not get any sense from him. I did give him an answer in post #23 with regard to Iraq, Afghanistan and al-Qaeda. He obviously thinks that wars do not count unless you have Neville Chamberlain making a solemn announcement over an old bakelite radio. However, I was able to furnish him with details to show that the wars were clearly prefaced by specific actions and declarations and that should have been enough.

But, predictably, it wasn't. He ignored the points on Afghanistan and Iraq except to make some irrelevant jibe about WMD and then said that bin Laden's 1998 declaration of war on America and its allies was a fabrication. Yet everything he has posted relates to a post-9/11 bin Laden video, not what I was talking about (as I made clear).

He then went on to say that 9/11 was an inside job and demanded that I answer 40+ questions - a convenient shifting of ground from his original question.

Just in case anyone might have been taken in what I wrote, he added for good measure (and has repeated several times) that I am either a government agent or brainwashed. Oh, also that I clearly only get my information from the mainstream TV news bulletins.

Result: I give up trying to reason with such people.

tito · 04-06-2008, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Unionist

tito, you will not get any sense from him. I did give him an answer in post #23 with regard to Iraq, Afghanistan and al-Qaeda. He obviously thinks that wars do not count unless you have Neville Chamberlain making a solemn announcement over an old bakelite radio. However, I was able to furnish him with details to show that the wars were clearly prefaced by specific actions and declarations and that should have been enough.

But, predictably, it wasn't. He ignored the points on Afghanistan and Iraq except to make some irrelevant jibe about WMD and then said that bin Laden's 1998 declaration of war on America and its allies was a fabrication. Yet everything he has posted relates to a post-9/11 bin Laden video, not what I was talking about (as I made clear).

He then went on to say that 9/11 was an inside job and demanded that I answer 40+ questions - a convenient shifting of ground from his original question.

Just in case anyone might have been taken in what I wrote, he added for good measure (and has repeated several times) that I am either a government agent or brainwashed. Oh, also that I clearly only get my information from the mainstream TV news bulletins.

Result: I give up trying to reason with such people.

Thank you, I hadn't read the thread for a while so I chose to address the first point made, sorry if I skimmed over your reply. People making insulting and groundless accusations of extremely bad taste in order to gain publicity aren't people you should actually want to reason with.

youcanhandlethetruth · 05-06-2008, 02:27 AM

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Originally Posted by tito

Thank you, I hadn't read the thread for a while so I chose to address the first point made, sorry if I skimmed over your reply. People making insulting and groundless accusations of extremely bad taste in order to gain publicity aren't people you should actually want to reason with.

Judging by your quote:

"Now, objectively, I believe a couple of well placed nuclear weapons on Tehran and Mecca would be the best solution right now."

you hardly have any justification for your statement
"insulting and groundless accusations of extremely bad taste"

Anyhow, please remind me what remarks you object to by the way.....

The fact you have failed to refute or reasonably debate any of the points I made earlier in this thread shows not only are you incapable of reasonably debating the issues, but you can't even if you could.

For someone who seems to be without an ounce of intelligence tito, you hardly have any grounds to talk about "common sense".

If you believe the fable that a bunch of amateur pilots with boxcutters managed to evade the most heavily defended and fortified airspace on the globe and fly the planes with accuracy that even a professional pilot couldn't manage (pilotsfor911truth.org) then you are the one that is more likely to be in need of the lunatic asylum.

What a suprise you resort to namecalling when you run out of answers.

By the way, the above 9/11 question is not MY "theory" it is concrete evidence proven by top scholars, scientists and aviation proefessionals.

pilotsfor911truth.org
Scholars For 9/11 Truth

Unionist and yourself are a couple of sad people who want everyone to remain as ignorant as yourselves.

If either you want to be taken seriously then stop the childish namecalling and innuendo and debate the issues by refuting all the 40 questions from the following link which relate to 9/11.

911truth.org ::::: THE TOP 40

By the way, remind what link there was between Osama bin laden and Iraq ?

Pentagon Attempts To Memory Hole New Report That Dismisses Al Qaeda-Saddam link

If we are talking about "common sense" what justification was there in attacking Iraq if Bin Laden was the one they were after ?

Obviously, the Iraq and the WMD connection was a proven lie.

It follows (quite conveniently) that this "war on terror" is best served by a shadowy enemy that can never be named(by you, Unionist or governments), let alone defeated...

Common sense indeed

The Bear · 05-06-2008, 07:20 AM

People tend to concentrate on what they would like to see done in the Middle East and ignore Indonesia and Malaysia.

Maybe the same people think that the populations of these two nations would just sit on their thumbs while Tehran and Mecca were reduced to rubble?

youcanhandlethetruth · 06-06-2008, 03:47 AM

What are you saying exactly Bear ?

The Bear · 06-06-2008, 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by youcanhandlethetruth

What are you saying exactly Bear ?

There's a hell of a lot of Muslims in the Far East, especially Indonesia, who are not likely to just sit on their thumbs if they see the Middle East, especially The Holy Cities, being turned into toast.

youcanhandlethetruth · 06-06-2008, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bear

There's a hell of a lot of Muslims in the Far East, especially Indonesia, who are not likely to just sit on their thumbs if they see the Middle East, especially The Holy Cities, being turned into toast.

That's your opinion and more anti-muslim rhetoric on your part....

Normally countries don't get involved unless they are threatened or attacked (except the US of course).

And if a country gets attacked by a pre-emptive strike they have a right to fight back and defend themsleves.

03-06-2008, 02:42 AM	#41 (permalink)
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04-06-2008, 01:49 AM	#42 (permalink)
Hartlepool Uber Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: North East England Posts: 6,814 Party: Popular Democrats	You misread my post ychtt,I was being friendly and refering to her previous post on her own doublespeak remark.