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Old 28-05-2008, 02:25 AM   #31 (permalink)
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Oh and the link I posted:

New Bin Laden "Confession" Tape: Fake Like The Rest?

directly puts into question whether that Bin Laden Tape aired on Al-Jazeera was authentic.

So I did answer the question - so stop spinning and read the whole article again.....

"The tape, which Reuters describes as having been recorded by "a speaker who sounded like bin Laden" once again contains no reference to current events that would indicate when it was recorded."

"Shortly after the 9/11, Bin Laden had denied any involvement in the attacks on at least two separate occasions."
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Old 28-05-2008, 02:32 AM   #32 (permalink)
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Er, I am namecalling? You have said that I am a "traitorous *******" and either a propaganda agent or "the kind of person that watches the mainstream news and nothing else". Those are all completely false assertions.

Now you say I am brainwashed and incapable of accepting the truth, likewise false, and you accuse me of namecalling?
That's right.

"idiotic theory", "warped thesis" is what you said.

It's much easier to shoot the messenger than to engage in reasoned debate isn't it ?

Please don't actually debate my points with any rational debate or post any evidence to refute my claims....

Sure that's just idiotic....
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Exactly - my comments were aimed at your argument, not at you. Those are my conclusions based upon your many posts, my previous involvement in such debates and your comments about The Bear and tito in this thread. I would also suggest that calling someone a traitor and propaganda agent is of an entirely different order.

Leaving that aside, I agree that bin Laden could be dead although we do not have any hard evidence on that issue (at least, none available to the public). It does not change the nature of the war in my view one way or the other.

Also, as should be clear from the context of what I said, the al-Jazeera interview I mentioned was nothing to do with the link you posted about bin Laden claiming responsibility for 9/11. I was talking about an interview in December 1998, i.e., not long after his February 1998 declaration of war under the auspices of the 'International Islamic Front for Jihad on the Jews and Crusaders'.
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Old 28-05-2008, 03:23 AM   #34 (permalink)
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Exactly - my comments were aimed at your argument, not at you. Those are my conclusions based upon your many posts, my previous involvement in such debates and your comments about The Bear and tito in this thread. I would also suggest that calling someone a traitor and propaganda agent is of an entirely different order.
You, Bear and Tito seem to be birds of a feather on this forum - please don't paint a picture someone like Bear is the the kind of upstanding libertarian that actually cares when he's supporting absolutely everything(like the EU) that is anti-libertarian

And yes - I think you proabably are all either agents or completely brainwashed.
But to be fair most of the British public have been brainwashed but they're waking up slowly (those that can keep an open mind and get off their backsides to find out the truth outside the confines of TV news)

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Leaving that aside, I agree that bin Laden could be dead although we do not have any hard evidence on that issue (at least, none available to the public). It does not change the nature of the war in my view one way or the other.
What a suprise !

No doubt you've read all those articles and examined all those questions I raised in a matter of seconds, despite the fact you haven't debated any of them.

Yes you're the respectable and knowledgable one and I'm the lunatic who can't deal with hard evidence or "common sense"....

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Also, as should be clear from the context of what I said, the al-Jazeera interview I mentioned was nothing to do with the link you posted about bin Laden claiming responsibility for 9/11. I was talking about an interview in December 1998, i.e., not long after his February 1998 declaration of war under the auspices of the 'International Islamic Front for Jihad on the Jews and Crusaders'.
So you totally believe the authenticity of the "Bin Laden" tapes then ?

The best way to be clear is to post an article that people can relate to and read.
Then people can respond to the article in question without confusion and not guess at the "context" of what you meant or where the claim/quote originated from (if it does exist to begin with).
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From what I read of Bear's posts through my phone, I have now stopped being friends with him. Maybe one day he will see the light...
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From what I read of Bear's posts through my phone, I have now stopped being friends with him. Maybe one day he will see the light...
I bet you any money he's government cointelpro.....

Notice how he always says he hates the government, but then supports all their policies.
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I know this is straying from the topic, but I noticed the news article on itv1 teletext about Skynet, wasn't skynet mentioned in the Terminator film/series? I suggest remaneing it to avoid paranoia, how about renaming it to UK SHIELD? UK Systems of Homeland Intergrated Emergency Laser Defence network?
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I bet you any money he's government cointelpro.....

Notice how he always says he hates the government, but then supports all their policies.
Just like me then? with my "double-speak"? Always trying to worm my way out of a situation?
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Just like me then? with my "double-speak"? Always trying to worm my way out of a situation?
Not at all.

Double speak is when the average well meaning person contradicts themselves like for example when you said (can't remember exactly) "Everyone has the right to have children" and "I'm in favour of a one child policy". (or maybe words to that effect - don't quote me)

That kind of thing...
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Just like me then? with my "double-speak"? Always trying to worm my way out of a situation?

Have you got a job yet TannyD?

If not,use that doublespeak to worm your way into one.
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