David Agnew

Yes it has, but I wasn't making a nationalist point.

I think that the discrimination practised by New Labour on the basis of nationality is a disgrace. If they practised similar discrimination on the basis of, say, colour, there would be an outcry.

It is odd that there is a Scottish version of NICE. Are the Scots biologically different from the rest of us?

I don't understand New Labour's motives. By stirring up nationalism in Wales and Scotland, they have damaged their own self-interest (eg the rise of the SNP in Scotland). They have also succeeded in creating nationalism in England. Eventually that will bite them on the bum electorally as well.

youcanhandlethetruth

Originally Posted by youcanhandlethetruth
Who are we at war with exactly ?

Remind me of the declaration of war that supports your claim..........

The vague responses above just prove that neither Bear nor Tito can provide a simple answer to a simple question. (and if you know of them you can fully understand why they cannot too).

Tito is particularly laughable by the fact that he claims I am talking rubbish by asking a simple question - if someone stopped me in the street and asked me the time, would I accuse the person of talking rubbish ?
Er - hello, are you trying to be a total moron because you seem to be succeeding....

I suggest you learn to understand basic logic and English Tito before you start talking through your backside about comments that weren't even made in the first place !

Notice how both Bear and Tito use illusive words like "those", "their", "states", "people", "organisations".

At least if either of them had said "Al-Quaeda" or "Islam" we could have at least had a debate about it (no matter that it would have been totally innacurate as well as I have proved in numerous posts beforehand).

But anyone with an ounce of intelligence is aware that the fact that there is shadowy enemy that can never be named (let alone defeated) is the whole point why the "war on terror" is a complete, shambolic and sick lie.

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YCHTT, the suggestion is so fatuous that it barely deserves a response.

In the case of Iraq, it was initiated back in 1990 by Iraq's invasion of Kuwait. (No declaration of war there, I think, but you can safely assume that it was a war. ) The UN Security Council subsequently approved all measures necessary to ensure Iraq's removal from Kuwait; both US Houses of Congress approved military action in January 1991; the US President publicly warned Iraq that military action would follow if it did not withdraw from Kuwait; and 33 other nations joined the US in the coalition. At the end of the war there was a ceasefire resolution which Iraq subsequently broke on numerous occasions, as it did various other resolutions. Iraq failed to comply with its undertakings. It was threatened with military action publicly by the leaders of the US, Britain, Spain and others; the UN again passed resoltuions requiring compliance and the US Congress and UK Parliament both authorised military action. Iraq was given a final ultimatum and war followed.

In the case of Al Qaeda, there was in fact a clear declaration of war by Osama bin Laden in 1998:

The declaration of war also came in a more immediate sense - the bombings at the US embassies, the attack on the USS Cole, 9/11 and numerous other terrorist acts.

The Afghanistan regime was given the option of turning over bin Laden and his followers or face military intervention. Again, the UN required them to do so. They failed to comply and military action followed.

Wars are untidy. They can't all be categorised easily and the "War on Terror" is not the best formulation by any means. However, the various theatres of war can be identified and the steps towards war can be retraced.

Of course, I could go into far more detail but your request is a spurious one to support some idiotic theory and even this response feels like a wasted effort for any notice you will take.

(My prediction: YCHTT will claim that al-Qaeda doesn't exist or is a CIA front. We go round in circles debating every twist and turn of his warped thesis. YCHTT declares that he has proved his case and everyone else lacks intelligence. Start over again... )

HighlandFP

I claim that al-Qaeda doesn't exist or is a CIA front.

911 was a false flag op just like The USS Liberty Cover-Up

If you belive 19 chaps and Osama in a cave did 911 then you possilbly are from Essex.

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Internationalist

I thought you might.

I don't believe that it was just "19 chaps and Osama in a cave". As is well documented, there was a huge network that developed over many years and a very organised infrastructure behind 9/11. It was in the planning for years. Your straw man arguments might fool YCHTT but they don't fool me.

youcanhandlethetruth

Yes - I am aware that Iraq invaded Kuwait

But forgive me - I was distinctly under the impression that Iraq had WMD's in the last war and this was the justification for invasion - not Osama or Al-CIA-da... ?

Anyway Unionist - assuming you are not a propaganda agent for the time being (and I'm being kind to you), I'd say this.....

If you're the kind of person that watches the mainstream news and nothing else, then you're in desperate need of watching "Loose change" on youtube or google video.

Without wanting to go into the hundreds of points surrounding 9/11(see my numerous posts on this site) just explain to me these few questions:

1) How can the strongest miltary defence system in the world be breached by a bunch of amateur pilots with boxcutters when routine interceptions of commercial airlines is standard operational procedure ?

2) How do you(or anyone for that matter) explain that with both 9/11 and 7/7 - exact same drills occurred at the exact same time and in the exact same locations ?

3) How do you explain the neo-con think tank said in 2000 in their report "Project for the New American Century" - "Rebuilding America's defences":

"Further, the process of transformation,even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event – like a new Pearl Harbor."

http://www.newamericancentury.org/Re...asDefenses.pdf (pg63)

{This website has been pulled - suprise suprise but the quote is totally genuine - look it up or see A New Pearl Harbor which explain the roadmap to Iraq and beyond.

4) How do you explain WTC7 collapsing when no plane hit it, and how the BBC reported it collapsing 25 minutes before it fell ? Why have the tapes been lost ? Why have all tapes around the pentagon been seized showing the impact into the pentagon ? I could go on and on and on all day........

Actually explain all of these 40 reasons please......

Top 40 Reasons why to doubt the official 911 story

5) If Osama Bin Laden was the enemy, why on earth did we invade Iraq when Saddam Hussein had no ties to Osama Bin Laden whatsoever. (let alone WMD's)

Neocon Lie Finally Debunked: Osama Not in Cahoots with Saddam

In fact what actually happened was that Saddam was a CIA agent who was hoodwinked into invading Kuwait, and then found that the U.S was playing him like a fiddle....

6) How do you explain declassified documents that state that the "Gulf of Tonkin" was a false flag event staged to start the Vietnam war ? What about other false flag terror attacks such as Operation Northwoods ?

Presidential Candidate Fears "Gulf Of Tonkin" To Provoke Iran War

"Declassified LBJ presidential tapes discuss how to spin the non-event to escalate it as justification for air strikes and the NSA faked intelligence data to make it appear as if two US ships had been lost."

As for Osama's declaration - well given the advances in technology that is easily done...

New Bin Laden "Confession" Tape: Fake Like The Rest?
Latest Bin Laden Tape: Another of the NeoCons' "Greatest Hits"

Obviously by your comment:

"Of course, I could go into far more detail but your request is a spurious one to support some idiotic theory and even this response feels like a wasted effort for any notice you will take."

So you've decided to try to belittle all of the genuine questions rasied by scholars, ex-foreign ministers, Ron Paul etc etc and all the genuine points raised that cannot be explained, by attacking the questioner and passing me off as a lunatic conspiracy theorist.

Well beleive it or not - over 80% of Americans beleive the government had involvement in 9/11 - that's one hell of a lot of nutcases/conspiracy theorists !

"(My prediction: YCHTT will claim that al-Qaeda doesn't exist or is a CIA front. We go round in circles debating every twist and turn of his warped thesis. YCHTT declares that he has proved his case and everyone else lacks intelligence. Start over again... )"

U.S. Intel Officer: Al Qaeda Leadership Allowed To Operate Freely
Former Blair Minister Points Out Al-Qaeda Cia Ties
Existence of "Al-Qaeda" Is ****; Quite Literally

So yes - your prediction was right.....
Does that mean you're not a propaganda merchant running scared to cover up the truth and I'm not telling the truth constantly hidden by the mainstream media ?

Of course not - nice try though !

I'd love to go on all day and post hundreds more articles, but I've already posted them and I've only so much time.....

I'm afraid Unionist - people don't beleive the cr*p propaganda you want them to believe anymore.....

I'm proud to be British and stand up for liberty, which is more than I can say for you you traitorous *******.

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Now let me remind you of your original question:

I gave you various points at which war was declared or authorised and you have chosen to ignore those except to suggest that the bin Laden statement was made up by the CIA. Not once has bin Laden ever made the claim that he did not say those words; indeed, he was proud of his statement and explained the thinking behind it on al-Jazeera television later that year.

The rest of your post is a list of the links and points you have made elsewhere on many occasions about 9/11 and 7/7. My prediction was essentially correct - you will spam the thread with whatever allegations you can muster.

I note that you have placed me into the categories of traitor and possibly agent. I should of course thank you for leaving open an element of doubt on the latter point. This only goes to show that you are indeed being kind, as you say, and not at all jumping to perverse conclusions.

youcanhandlethetruth

Please forgive me then - maybe I should have said....

You're totally brainwashed and incapable of accepting the truth staring you right in the face......

So I presume you're not willing to debate any of the many questions I posed in an adult way without resorting to namecalling ?

What a suprise !

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youcanhandlethetruth

By the way - it might actually be tricky for a dead or sick man to defend himself.....

Computer Expert: Bin Laden Dead, Tape Is Old Footage
Benazir Bhutto said Osama bin Laden was dead
White House Gets Defensive Over Accusation Bin Laden Is Dead

"According to French newspaper Le Figaro, Bin Laden was on a kidney dialysis machine after he had one shipped to his base in Kandahar Afghanistan in 2000. Other accounts suggest he was also suffering from Hepatitis C at the time and had only two years left to live.

Journalists who met Bin Laden before 9/11 later proclaimed their disbelief about the fact that he didn't appear on video after December 2001 to brag about the fact that he had not been captured. Since that time, every single Bin Laden video tape released has contained vague non-specific messages and in many cases the footage is old and re-hashed. The "new" Bin Laden tape released last weekend was being aired for the third time, having been shot in October 2001 then broadcast in May 2002 before being aired again in October 2003.

"With an ego the size of Mount Everest, Osama bin Laden would not have, could not have, remained silent for so long if he were still alive. He always liked to take credit even for things he had nothing to do with. Would he remain silent for nine months and not trumpet his own survival?" wrote the New York Times' Amir Taheri in July 2002."

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Internationalist

Er, I am namecalling? You have said that I am a "traitorous *******" and either a propaganda agent or "the kind of person that watches the mainstream news and nothing else". Those are all completely false assertions.

Now you say I am brainwashed and incapable of accepting the truth, likewise false, and you accuse me of namecalling?