Baron von Lotsov

I think the key to understanding it is to look at how the human mind works and then all their actions make sense. Most people claim all the so-called nutty things that go on are just stupid. I see it so much on the Channel 4 forum. They see what goes on but do not understand the 'why' bit. If you take as your starting point as the human mind then you are on the right track.

Communism exploits its vulnerabilities. It's the womb like mental state; most people when they are very young are attached to their parents and their mother in particular. They are attached to the security it offers then but the process of growing up is to get stronger and realise that you can affect things through your own strengths and then that nice woolly family that you were born into no longer serves that purpose and you learn to fend for yourself. Communism is all to do with stunting mental development, so that one does not achieve becoming a full adult. The family unit is something they try and destroy and this creates a deficit from a psychological perspective. People become worried about who is going to protect them and so the Communists substitute the state for the family and create that condition out of destroying the path one goes down to becoming mature.

If you don't believe me then look at your television and look at how fully grown adults behave on it. Some are so good at their job that they behave like five year olds. Of course this extremity is not meant to be copied directly, it exploits another weakness and that is how people perceive things. If you were compared to Einstein you would look stupid, if you were compared to utter morons you would think of yourself as intelligent, and so this is how they do it. They redefine the extremes and they want people to react such that they reject the new extreme and opt for something less so, but unbeknown to them their perception of the mean position has shifted to become dumbed down when compared to the standards of 20 years ago. It's very subtle, it's a gradual conditioning programme that has extended through the best part of the twentieth century.

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libertylover

Baron, excellent points. Gave my tv away, all rubbish.

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Yeah, Lukeair, Skousen's books are easier reading that Quigley's Tragedy and Hope. I never could get anyone to even attempt to read the Quigley's whole book
because they said it was just too hard.

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Baron von Lotsov you appear to be an entity of inordinate sensibilities.

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Ea of Dune

Baron> But are you honestly suggesting that a book written from the perspective of American workers at the time of the dust bowl is dumbed down?

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Baron von Lotsov

Yes. A lot of things done in schools and universities are dumbed down and especially so in the arts. The difference between Jane Eyre and that American book is the one is quintessentially English and the other is Yank talk. When at school you only have a brief time to sample what great works people have done in the past and I suppose it might only take one or two and that would show the children that there is more out there than the Mc culture we have today.

My concern is that I was personally affected by this and had a dreadful time at school. We were never pushed and in lessons I'd figure out the lesson in five minutes while the teacher took and hour and ten minutes slowly plodding through at such remedial speed. The only way I could cope was to divert the lesson into more complex things and that would get the class interested and if I were careful enough I'd manage to hoodwink the teacher into becoming interested.

What we learnt in physics was something I think will surprise you today. One or two teachers didn't go with the agenda, our physics teacher was one of them and we learns some really interesting stuff which would have normally only been taught at about first year degree course level, and this was pre o level! Now you might get the idea of how school stunts learning, it does not promote it. Look at MIT's youngest professor of computer science for example. He never went to school and ended up so clever he was made a professor in his early twenties. People just don't realise how bad schooling is for people.

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Fair enough, you are entitled to your opinion. I do get the impression you probably didn't "get" the book though. Have you noticed the references to Burns in it? Did you know the book has actually been challenged by those in the censorship brigade?
It was also written as a play and a story at the same time, and the book is divided into acts for example

When I read it at school, in history where we studying the great depression so it complimented those lessons.
To suggest it was "dumbed" down though, would suggest the authour wrote the book to be "dumbed" down (when he was actually writing from experience), unless you mean the book was chosen to "dumb" down the lesson, in which case I disagree with you.
As for yank culture, well yes it's a book about America so what do you expect?
With regards to school yes it's true there is only a limited amount of time to sample the vast array of types of literature of which many countries have contributed too.
Of the top of my head at school I can remember we studied:

Of Mice and Men - Steinbeck, A Christmas Carol - Dickens, Romeo and Julliet - Shakespear, Macbeth - Shakespear.

I can also remember snippets of other books and plays but it's going back a number of years now


Back to the book though, to be honest, no offence intended I think you are looking for a "dumbing" down where one does not exist.

I agree there has def been a dumbing down in education, but I certainly would not call a novel written in 1937 by a noble prize winning author dumbed down.

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Baron von Lotsov

And just to add that I'm not trying to imply American literature is inferior or anything since the exact same strategy was employed using 'Chav-speak' with a 'translation' of some Shakespeare that has just been published. It might seem funny to some but the reason is all to do with dumbing down. Another one of the agenda items is to promote globalism as a good thing. So what better book than something that is not English taught in English classes promoting proletariat lifestyles and getting the children into multi-culturalism?

They did the same sort of thing when they did all those foreign exchange trips with schools back in the 70s, when they were engineering the EU's acceptance for the next generation. We now have documentary evidence to show this was the work of clandestine political groups connected to the EU project. One other aspect of multi-culturalism is that they mean to stamp out anything to do with our very own English culture or anything that is in any way refined or middleclass. You know what the Communists thought of the middle classes, they did a similar thing to them as Hitler did to the Jews.

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