The world’s most successful Libertarian party - Page 3

Smidgey · 27-04-2008, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by British-Conservatism

The point is principles are harder to maintain your movement than in mine because of your ideological stance.

Indeed, most people don't support liberty. Take yourself for example, you support a socialist party.

Perhaps it is hard to fight against our underlying human nature - as Friedman pointed out.

British-Conservatism · 27-04-2008, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Smidgey

Indeed, most people don't support liberty. Take yourself for example, you support a socialist party.

Perhaps it is hard to fight against our underlying human nature - as Friedman pointed out.

By your standards everyone from Winston Churchill to Bob Menzies must be a Socialists are they.

British-Conservatism · 27-04-2008, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Smidgey

Another one of the reasons yes.

That made him a patriot and it is a shame people couldn't (and can't) see it.

I get the feeling you probably don't like him because of what he said about conservatives.

Governor Eyre was a murdering ass with no sense of justice whatsoever. Whether the rebels were right or wrong is a different matter - it does not justify some of the things he did.

It justifies everything he did in protecting the British people in Jamaica.
Disraeli a real Patriot appreciated his efforts unlike the Liberal filth who wanted a true British Patriot jailed.

British-Conservatism · 27-04-2008, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Smidgey

Indeed, most people don't support liberty. Take yourself for example, you support a socialist party.

Perhaps it is hard to fight against our underlying human nature - as Friedman pointed out.

No Libertarian party will ever be able to preserve or restore Britain’s liberties only a true Conservative Patriotic party can do that.

Smidgey · 27-04-2008, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by British-Conservatism

By your standards everyone from Winston Churchill to Bob Menzies must be a Socialists are they.

They supported some socialistic policies, yes.

The BNP, which is a party - not a person - are socialistic and collectivist.

Smidgey · 27-04-2008, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by British-Conservatism

It justifies everything he did in protecting the British people in Jamaica.
Disraeli a real Patriot appreciated his efforts unlike the Liberal filth who wanted a true British Patriot jailed.

It absolutely does not. He killed people that were not even involved! Not to mention that many were executed without trial.

My point about Mill being a patriot was that he was a patriot to humanity. This vile governor was perhaps a patriot to some legal fiction because he couldn't base his actions in morality, but instead justified himself under the vile auspices of a legal fiction!

Collectivism (and this case clearly shows it) makes people blind. The fact that you can find honour in some of the things he did during that rebellion is something I find to be deeply immoral and appalling. Like our last prime minister, this man should have been tried for murder.

Smidgey · 27-04-2008, 01:42 PM

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No Libertarian party will ever be able to preserve or restore Britain’s liberties only a true Conservative Patriotic party can do that.

You have just exposed you system for the sham it is. Libertarianism wouldn't restore 'Britain's liberties' (another collectivist statement from you, considering only individuals have liberties, not states), because the British people have never fully had liberty.

You would seek to restore something that has never even existed on these islands.

Smidgey · 27-04-2008, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bear

Isn’t the bottom line that anyone who is fixated with a single issue or a single obsession or a single objective at a marked disadvantage?

That every individual and especially every politician should hold views that are on a located on the continuum that exists between the two extremes regarding any issue?

That those who do not accept this position are actually not just at a disadvantage but actually probably to at least some degree psychotic?

After all, there are very very few absolute black’s or absolute white’s in nature, and even then what looks like white in one ambient light doesn’t in another.

In my own case I loath Islam with a passion, but even so I do see that it has a place in some societies, just not much of a place in ours!

So it surely is with ideologies such as libertarianism, socialism, capitalism, in fact all the “isms” that make up all the ideologies.

There is no single “ism” that is perfect and just as it is said that if you ever find the perfect church, don’t join it, so if you ever find the perfect “ism” don’t commit fully to it. Instead just take the best out of it to use in the best way that you can.

Thoughts?

My thoughts are that libertarianism is not the best system. It is the least bad.

Anyone who believes their political system will solve everything under the sun is delusional.