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Old 15-04-2008, 08:53 PM   #11 (permalink)
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And do you mind if I ask how you would feel if a friend of yours were executed (i.e. murdered by the state) for a crime that they did not commit?
My mind tends to turn to the many appaling miscarriages of justice that have occured since the death penalty was abolished and I shudder at the consequences of bringing it back.
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And do you mind if I ask how you would feel if a friend of yours were executed (i.e. murdered by the state) for a crime that they did not commit?
This sums it up well, Britannist.
It strikes me as odd how some people will back up such things with statistics; what consolidation is the probability of false-execution when it happens to you or a friend?
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Old 15-04-2008, 10:13 PM   #13 (permalink)
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This sums it up well, Britannist. It strikes me as odd how some people will back up such things with statistics; what consolidation is the probability of false-execution when it happens to you or a friend?
Thank you for your agreement on this Tito.

The point you make (above) is, of course, totally correct.
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I agree with tito and rjt to an extent.
I would favor life in prison.
However for crimes committed in prison I would favor the death penalty.
We have to remember lifers with no chance of parole will take every chance to kill or maim prison officers or fellow prisoners.
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None of whom deserve to be murdered by the state.
I think it was Edward Abbey who commentated that the real point of the death penalty is to great fear and awe of the state.
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The old thing about “guilty going free rather than one innocent man” is past its sell by date in todays society.

There are so many cases now where the guilty HAVE walked and gone on to kill again, or where the useless CPS have decided that the likelihood of winning a case is offset by the cost and the guilty don’t even get to The Dock, that now the probability of an innocent person being executed in error in my opinion is now acceptable.

This because the likelihood of some genuinely innocent person being killed, seriously maimed, or raped by some piece of scum left to walk free is, or at the very least intuitively feels, considerably higher.
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This sums it up well, Britannist.
It strikes me as odd how some people will back up such things with statistics; what consolidation is the probability of false-execution when it happens to you or a friend?
tito,"false execution",you need to decide on this because your signature says many things,one of which is as follows...."that society may dispose of him in any way it pleases for the sake of whatever it deems to be its own tribal,collective good".(but,read the rest of Ayn Rands quote as shown by your signature tito).


Execution,are you for or against it tito?

If the latter,your signature should be removed because it means nothing,does it?
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The old thing about “guilty going free rather than one innocent man” is past its sell by date in todays society.

There are so many cases now where the guilty HAVE walked and gone on to kill again, or where the useless CPS have decided that the likelihood of winning a case is offset by the cost and the guilty don’t even get to The Dock, that now the probability of an innocent person being executed in error in my opinion is now acceptable.

This because the likelihood of some genuinely innocent person being killed, seriously maimed, or raped by some piece of scum left to walk free is, or at the very least intuitively feels, considerably higher.
It simply does not follow that because we have a failing in our current system that we should implement the death penalty.

What does follow, is that this failing should be solved by re-hashing the legal system.
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Not to mention that it is quite appalling that some people actually see red China as an example setter.
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The old thing about “guilty going free rather than one innocent man” is past its sell by date in todays society.

There are so many cases now where the guilty HAVE walked and gone on to kill again, or where the useless CPS have decided that the likelihood of winning a case is offset by the cost and the guilty don’t even get to The Dock, that now the probability of an innocent person being executed in error in my opinion is now acceptable.

This because the likelihood of some genuinely innocent person being killed, seriously maimed, or raped by some piece of scum left to walk free is, or at the very least intuitively feels, considerably higher.
The debate is not about people "walking" but about how you deal with the guilty and life imprisonment with the emphasis on life is the only solution not the death penalty
consider one thing if we reintroduced the state murder thing again would juries convict or not based on the fact that they could be murdering an innocent person - now there's a thought
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