"Violent Mugabe coup feared" (claim) - Page 2

rjt · 13-04-2008, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Britannist

Brief extract from the article on the link in the last posting to this thread:

"South African President Thabo Mbeki has said there is no post-election crisis in Zimbabwe - and urged voters to wait for the Presidential result to be announced."

Thabo Mbeki cannot be living on earth if he thinks there is no crisis, his beahviour is a disgrace and I am supprised Britian still considers him a friend the way he is behaving.

I thought Mugabe looks as if he is going a bit senile actually, he kept rolling his eyes and struguling for words. I wonder how much of this is him wanting to keep power or the miltary and his advisors insisting he stays to protect them.

SuperiorSteve · 13-04-2008, 01:39 PM

He is a complete tosser. He is a disgrace to Africa, and South Africa in particular. We sould invade Zimbabwe and then put pressure on South Africa to teach them a lesson.

rjt · 13-04-2008, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by SuperiorSteve

He is a complete tosser. He is a disgrace to Africa, and South Africa in particular. We sould invade Zimbabwe and then put pressure on South Africa to teach them a lesson.

That would be the worst thing we could do, it has to be an african solution as regards the removal of Mugabe nothing else is viable.

Aardvark · 13-04-2008, 04:40 PM

The African Union come out of this very badly. It is clear that they cannot bear to part with Mugabe because of his anti-colonialist credentials. Mugabe is a vicious racist, not just towards whites, but also towards blacks of other tribes. He is responsible for the killing and rape of more blacks in Zimbabwe that the whites ever were, yet he is still able to continue with the support of South Africa.

What I can't understand is how South Africa's leaders cannot see that the only people now suffering in the Zimbabwe crisis are the overwhelming black majority who have either fled or live in poverty. Perhaps they expect one day to be in the same boat as Mugabe and don't want to set a precedent.

How sad that life expectancy in Mugabe's Zimbabwe is 11 years less than life expectancy in this country in 1900?

Britannist · 13-04-2008, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by rjt

.......the removal of Mugabe - nothing else is viable.

The United Nations (UN) seems to be very quiet about his - or is it just that some of the media here just not reporting anything (about the UN response to Mugabe's failure to publish the results of the election he may well have lost heavily)?

I have read that communist China (in its search for various metals for industrial production) has been building up trading links with a number of African nations - particularly Zimbabwe. China, of course, has a veto on the United Nations Security Council which it could use to stop the UN criticising the tyrant Mugabe and his supporters.

Hunter · 13-04-2008, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Aardvark

The African Union come out of this very badly. It is clear that they cannot bear to part with Mugabe because of his anti-colonialist credentials. Mugabe is a vicious racist, not just towards whites, but also towards blacks of other tribes. He is responsible for the killing and rape of more blacks in Zimbabwe that the whites ever were, yet he is still able to continue with the support of South Africa.

What I can't understand is how South Africa's leaders cannot see that the only people now suffering in the Zimbabwe crisis are the overwhelming black majority who have either fled or live in poverty. Perhaps they expect one day to be in the same boat as Mugabe and don't want to set a precedent.

How sad that life expectancy in Mugabe's Zimbabwe is 11 years less than life expectancy in this country in 1900?

It may be because of the mutual support each gave the other during their time as rebels. It is difficult to see how people, no matter what race, colour or creed, can properly manage a country after years of fighting in a civil war. They have been used to the thuggery and routine killing for years, where death was a constant companion and the cost of life very cheap.

At that point, when the 'goal' has been achieved, there is nothing else to strive for, and they have to settle down to the mundane routine of Governing. Which, they soon realise, none of them are 'qualified' to do. Unless it's done in a Military fashion, which is all, IMO, Mugabe and Mbeki know.

Aardvark · 13-04-2008, 06:25 PM

Hunter, IMHO I think you've hit the nail on the head. People who are good bush fighters/terrorists etc don't necessarily make responsible legislators.

rjt · 13-04-2008, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Britannist

The United Nations (UN) seems to be very quiet about his - or is it just that some of the media here just not reporting anything (about the UN response to Mugabe's failure to publish the results of the election he may well have lost heavily)?

I have read that communist China (in its search for various metals for industrial production) has been building up trading links with a number of African nations - particularly Zimbabwe. China, of course, has a veto on the United Nations Security Council which it could use to stop the UN criticising the tyrant Mugabe and his supporters.

Yes China has been proping up Mugabe for some considerable time, one unsavoury regime looking after another I feel.

rjt · 13-04-2008, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Hunter

It may be because of the mutual support each gave the other during their time as rebels. It is difficult to see how people, no matter what race, colour or creed, can properly manage a country after years of fighting in a civil war. They have been used to the thuggery and routine killing for years, where death was a constant companion and the cost of life very cheap.

At that point, when the 'goal' has been achieved, there is nothing else to strive for, and they have to settle down to the mundane routine of Governing. Which, they soon realise, none of them are 'qualified' to do. Unless it's done in a Military fashion, which is all, IMO, Mugabe and Mbeki know.

That is really well said.

Britannist · 13-04-2008, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by rjt

Yes China has been proping up Mugabe for some considerable time, one unsavoury regime looking after another I feel.

.....True.

13-04-2008, 01:39 PM	#12 (permalink)
SuperiorSteve Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Southampton Posts: 669	He is a complete tosser. He is a disgrace to Africa, and South Africa in particular. We sould invade Zimbabwe and then put pressure on South Africa to teach them a lesson. __________________ "Remember that you are an Englishman, and have consequently won first prize in the lottery of life" Cecil Rhodes

13-04-2008, 04:40 PM	#14 (permalink)
Aardvark Moderator Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Oxonia Posts: 2,800	The African Union come out of this very badly. It is clear that they cannot bear to part with Mugabe because of his anti-colonialist credentials. Mugabe is a vicious racist, not just towards whites, but also towards blacks of other tribes. He is responsible for the killing and rape of more blacks in Zimbabwe that the whites ever were, yet he is still able to continue with the support of South Africa. What I can't understand is how South Africa's leaders cannot see that the only people now suffering in the Zimbabwe crisis are the overwhelming black majority who have either fled or live in poverty. Perhaps they expect one day to be in the same boat as Mugabe and don't want to set a precedent. How sad that life expectancy in Mugabe's Zimbabwe is 11 years less than life expectancy in this country in 1900? __________________ When in Woking do as the Wokes do. "I do not wish to form my opinions by thoughtlessly quoting others; I wish others to support their opinions by sensibly quoting me." Paul Wesson (Aardvark) 13th April 2008

13-04-2008, 06:25 PM	#17 (permalink)
Aardvark Moderator Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Oxonia Posts: 2,800	Hunter, IMHO I think you've hit the nail on the head. People who are good bush fighters/terrorists etc don't necessarily make responsible legislators. __________________ When in Woking do as the Wokes do. "I do not wish to form my opinions by thoughtlessly quoting others; I wish others to support their opinions by sensibly quoting me." Paul Wesson (Aardvark) 13th April 2008

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