"Australian Monarchists to fight republic plan of Labour Prime Minister Rudd"

Britannist · 11-04-2008, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by rjt

.....overwhelmingly the thing that sustains the Monarchy is the love and respect that people hold for it in their hearts.

You are, of course, right RJT. The people of our country like Queen Elizabeth II and strongly support the Monarchy.

As I have written before - the Mall is not going to fill up with huge crowds of people cheering a President Kinnock, President Blair or President Heseltine. Quite a few demonstrators might turn up though.

BonnieDundee · 14-04-2008, 05:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Britannist

There are plenty of ornate carriages in republican nations.

Australia rightly said no to the 'politicians' republic' in the 1999 referendum.

The office of President is filled in nearly every case around the world by a politician. We do not have that here in the UK because we are a Constitutional Monarchy.

The British people do not want a political Head of State or the republican system which costs a fortune in most countries stuck with Presidencies.

It must be remembered alot of the no votes came simply because of the poor info on and drawing up of the proposed constitution. Many people didn't know enough about it or didn't like it. Alot, if not most, of the no votes came because of this and not some love for the house of Windsor.

Britannist · 14-04-2008, 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by BonnieDundee

It must be remembered alot of the no votes came simply because of the poor info on and drawing up of the proposed constitution. Many people didn't know enough about it or didn't like it.

It must be remembered that people had the chance to remove the Monarch of Australia and chose not to do so - and that was after the republicans won a majority on the Constitutional Convention. When it came to a vote - some of those who had supported republicans on the Constitutional Convention switched to backing The Crown. The republicans failed to win a majority in any of the Australian states in the 1999 referendum - thank goodness.

BonnieDundee · 14-04-2008, 07:15 AM

I don't know why you think it is thank goodness but as I said a good proportion of that was simply due to what was offered as a replacement not because they actually prefered the crown to a republic in an ideal world. Of course referendums rarely get yes votes in Australia anyway but the poor info and replacements ideas of the yes campaign played a large part here. I currently live reside in Australia and I doubt whether many, particularly those under 60, have any monarchical sentiments. What they need is a decent alternative given to them. And it will happen soon probably as the new PM who got rid of that slimy Howard has already brought it up.

I'm a democrat myself but I don't mind constitutional monarchies, as my username suggests. But also as it suggests I prefer the "King(s) across the water".

Britannist · 14-04-2008, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by BonnieDundee

And it will happen soon probably as the new PM....

I wish the Australian Monarchists every success.

As for Rudd (Labour Prime Minister of Australia) - well the last Labour Prime Minister of Australia who campaigned for a vote for Republicanism found when the referendum on the matter was held in 1999 that his own constituency voted to keep The Monarchy. Good for them.

Shame Mr. Howard lost the last Australian national election.

rjt · 14-04-2008, 12:36 PM

As for Mr Howard being slimy I would take him over Rudd anyday, Howard spoke up against Zimbabwe calling mugabe a modern day hitler, if it was not for him Zimbabwe would still be in the commonwealth. He also made it clear to imigrants that if they came to AUstralia they had to accept the values f the country they now lived in and obey its laws.

How I long for a leading British Political figure to be that straight talking.

When Rudd was questioned about Zimbabwe the other day he sounded like what he acutally is, a weakling. it is to Australias discredit they got rid of Howard.

Westcountryman · 14-04-2008, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by BonnieDundee

Alot, if not most, of the no votes came because of this and not some love for the house of Windsor.

Reference this claim please. Either that or add 'in my opinion' to it.

BonnieDundee · 14-04-2008, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Britannist

I wish the Australian Monarchists every success.

As for Rudd (Labour Prime Minister of Australia) - well the last Labour Prime Minister of Australia who campaigned for a vote for Republicanism found when the referendum on the matter was held in 1999 that his own constituency voted to keep The Monarchy. Good for them.

No actually they voted against the proposed constitution.

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Shame Mr. Howard lost the last Australian national election.

Not really workchoice would of made Hitler(or Thatcher.) proud.

BonnieDundee · 14-04-2008, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by rjt

As for Mr Howard being slimy I would take him over Rudd anyday, Howard spoke up against Zimbabwe calling mugabe a modern day hitler, if it was not for him Zimbabwe would still be in the commonwealth. He also made it clear to imigrants that if they came to AUstralia they had to accept the values f the country they now lived in and obey its laws.

How I long for a leading British Political figure to be that straight talking.

When Rudd was questioned about Zimbabwe the other day he sounded like what he acutally is, a weakling. it is to Australias discredit they got rid of Howard.

No it isn't. After the horrid workchoices legislation and several other bills it would be a great discredit if they hadn't. And although I think this is a minor issue Rudd showed alot more guts than Howard when he stood up to China over Tibet.

BonnieDundee · 14-04-2008, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Eurosceptic Atlanticist

Reference this claim please. Either that or add 'in my opinion' to it.

I reside there. I live on the Northern beaches of Sydney, which is a posh area, and there is no sentimental support for the monarchy and there is little in the media either. It is not an important issue but the support for a republic is certainly stronger, the problem is and was what kind of republic.

If you'd been to Australia and experienced it you'd know they really don't look to Britain and the commonwealth much anymore. In schools they love to bang on about how Asia-pacific and America are where they are centred on now and it is true. The older generation probably does have a little more support for the monarchy, although I don't see too much of it, but give it ten years or so and even that will be gone.

14-04-2008, 07:15 AM	#64 (permalink)
BonnieDundee Uber Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Between Mallaig and Cornwall. Posts: 2,809	I don't know why you think it is thank goodness but as I said a good proportion of that was simply due to what was offered as a replacement not because they actually prefered the crown to a republic in an ideal world. Of course referendums rarely get yes votes in Australia anyway but the poor info and replacements ideas of the yes campaign played a large part here. I currently live reside in Australia and I doubt whether many, particularly those under 60, have any monarchical sentiments. What they need is a decent alternative given to them. And it will happen soon probably as the new PM who got rid of that slimy Howard has already brought it up. I'm a democrat myself but I don't mind constitutional monarchies, as my username suggests. But also as it suggests I prefer the "King(s) across the water". __________________ "It is poor civic hygiene to install technologies that could someday facilitate a police state." -Bruce Schneier How to Overthrow the System: brew your own beer; kick in your TV; build your own cabin and pss off front porch whenever you bloody well feel like it.* Edward Abbey Leopold Kohr.

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rjt Uber Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Aldershot Posts: 5,479	As for Mr Howard being slimy I would take him over Rudd anyday, Howard spoke up against Zimbabwe calling mugabe a modern day hitler, if it was not for him Zimbabwe would still be in the commonwealth. He also made it clear to imigrants that if they came to AUstralia they had to accept the values f the country they now lived in and obey its laws. How I long for a leading British Political figure to be that straight talking. When Rudd was questioned about Zimbabwe the other day he sounded like what he acutally is, a weakling. it is to Australias discredit they got rid of Howard. __________________ Mr Delors said that he wanted the European Parliament to be the democratic body of the community, The Commission to be The Executive and The Council Of Ministers The Senate. NO! NO! NO! (Margaret Thatcher 30 Oct 1990) Ignore List: The Prophets of ST Al the Unelectable.

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