TannyD

Then there's the mindless ASBO kids and their fun with other people's much loved pets.

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Ea of Dune

Yes the dog thing is sick, I wouldn't write off a whole country though based upon that, not when we consider that those kids where arrested in Scotland for tieing a hampster to a rocket and lighting the fuse.
You get sickos everywhere unfortunatly, the fact though this was sanctioned as art is perticularly vile in my opinion.

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Frith

People haven't understood your post, I think. This is supposed to be art. You are asking whether one is morally obliged to accept that deliberate cruelty is an instance of creative endeavour.

I will categorically refute anyone's right or license to commit acts of cruelty in the name of art or entertainment.

I will add that I do not support fox hunting, bear dancing, or bull fighting. I do not like the Grand National and wish it could be replaced by something more humane. I am against commercial whaling and sealing and detest all hunting that is not for the specific purposes of keeping a tribe alive with food. Scooping massive shoals of fish out of the sea to feed chronically overpopulated humans is environmentally irresponsible. Taking lobsters, crabs, other shell fish and sharks in enormous numbers for human delicacy consumption fills me with venom. Slaughtering animals for trophies makes me want to start a human hunting farm to see how the vicious cowards like it when the boot is on the other foot.

I think you get the picture. The same goes for tree felling and "development". Humans are an overpopulated, grossly overestimated species that is killing one of the most magnificent accidents in the universe, our earth, and all she holds for a moment in cosmic time.



I hope the artist who starves the dog, the dirty rotten scoundrels who allow him to and anyone who comes to gawp at the hapless victim's suffering are gifted by the law of cause and effect with appropriate fates.

brian pearson

Vegetarian ?

Tara

Well said Frith

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Tara

Petition is signed. I cannot believe that no one intervened and put a stop to this, I'm not violent but if I ever witnessed animal cruelty I would not hesitate in attacking whoever was responsible. I hope everyone involved in this dies a long painful death and goes to hell.

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Frith

The perennial question whenever anyone speaks out against cruelty to animals: Are you a vegetarian? It mirrors the other question whenever anyone speaks out against injustice: Are you a fascist?

I don't eat red meat. I eat poultry, fish and dairy products and yes I am aware of battery farming and artificially huge udders, abattoirs and the inhumane conditions in the meat industry. Especially the halal meat industry, incidentally. But there is always a rather pregnant silence on that one. I also don't find slaughtering a goat that has been bought live and transported with its legs tied together on the back of a truck or in the boot of a Mercedes, left to suffer in dizzying heat and then had its throat slit badly so wedding guests can eat a ceremonial slaughter terribly much fun either. Quite a big silence on that too whenever you mention it. (It's cultcha, and all that.)

I don't like people who go hunting for the fun of it. I don't like canned lion hunts. I don't like European nutjobs who hunt animals with spears and bows and arrows so they can get some stupefying pseudo religious joy out of returning to their "ancestral ways" by daubing themselves with bullsh*t runes painted in animal blood and communing with their intended victim's spirits to be very pleasant either. Why they are not arrested for cruelty, besides sheer stupidity I can't imagine. Oh, wait, I can. There's money in it for the traders in flesh. Shoot what you like, hunt it down, wound it, pee on it, daub your lowlife self in its heart's blood, revel in its agony, commune with your neo nazi gods and pay for the privilege on some equally bullsh*t farm and you can do whatever you like. It's all about cash.

Vegetarians are depriving themselves of vital vitamin B12, and almost invariably suffer from some form of deficiency. If it were not for the modern world and all those pills on shelves filled with substitutes they would curl up and die. You have to be realistic about life on earth and about the form in which you come here. Even chimpanzees hunt for meat protein, or didn't anybody know? Yep, our jungle cousins have pitched battles, eat other primates and don't just live on bananas and look cute and harmless all the time.

Many creatures whose staple diets consist of vegetable matter also use quantities of animal protein which is obtained at certain times for the purpose of feeding young (birds who kill the chicks of other birds to feed their own) or during pregnancy or for the supplementation of minerals and fats as well as animal protein. There is no such thing as a liberal in nature. Nature is not liberal, perhaps this explains it.

But aside from our necessary animal nature and need for protein from other animal sources, there is no reason on earth to be cruel nor to practise cruelty in obtaining that protein source. I envisage a future where cloning methods may find ways to reproduce vital meat cuts without the need for slaughter houses. And hydroponics and various other agricultural development may provide better crop cultivation so humans can stop interefering with biodiversity and shedding poisons everywhere just to stay alive.

We have become a grotesque irony and our survival a blot on the copybook of our progress because we have neglected, through superstitious misunderstanding on one hand and sheer greed on the other, the potential of our intelligence to find solutions to our necessary interference and unbridled cruelty. And, no, the new age idea of living under the stars and chomping plant stalks while banging on about some impossible universal "peace" no one seems capable of defining adequately, isn't the solution. It is part of the problem.

I am fully capable of going outside, capturing or killing an animal, ripping out its bits with a sharp knife, hanging its hide up to dry and consuming its meat. This is within me as it is within most humans and all animals who must eat protein. If you think it isn't in you you are probably mistaken and you can rest assured it is within your neighbour, or your parents. That is how humans, and all other creatures, have survived one of the most incredible and anonymous journeys in the cosmos. We are forced to consume other life forms to exist on this planet.

We are not forced to exercise cruelty, however. That is just one of our little quirks. When we are separated from our many and varied self created gods and superstitious beliefs, we are alone responsible for the terrible things we do, to one another and to our fellow travellers on this planet. God is not responsible for cutting an animal's throat and hanging it upside down to bleed to death slowly. God did not tell us to do this, we invented that all by ourselves. What god or goddess would invent such an atrocity? Or ask us to commit it? We blame most of our psychological sickness and individual inadequacies on some trumped up deific imperative so we can literally get away with barbarity, murder and abuse.

We inherit a litany of screams and grunts as we we plunge headlong into a future of climatic chaos and ecological disaster, pushing the skeletons of extinctions out of our way as we pass. We dare not look back, or in the mirror. We continue to say and believe that this is all the will of some god or other and that he or she or it will see us through because in all this disgusting behaviour and heedless self indulgence, there is a grand design and a great plan that is ours alone, if only we will believe and not ask so many annoying questions when someone decides that abusing a dog is art. And, worse, that others agree.

The human population of our planet is splitting into two distinct groups and this fissure will widen with time into a chasm. One day the one group will no longer have much, if anything, in common with the other. This will not be based on race or creed or wealth or privilege so much as it will be based on knowledge and evolution. Those who are capable of advancement, no matter who they may be, will split off slowly but surely from those who persist in immersion in ancient superstition and the cruelty and abuse that these mindsets have brought on humankind and, by extension, on the world we live in.

Already we can see parts of the world drifting socially and technologically apart. The so-called "developing world", predominantly Catholic or Muslim, falling back into the past, the citadels of civilizations crumbling as their human creators recede from the scene and the virus and the bacterium returning, closely attended by the spectres of hunger and fear. Edifices like the United Nations will simply enunciate the hollow mantras of a bygone age: "We are sorry, we are guilty, we must do more, we can help ... ."

But how can anyone realistically help a group of people who think starving a dog is art? Or, when you come to think of it, a group of people who believe that setting a pack of mad dogs on a little creature the size of a large cat that has been decreed "vermin" is some sort of sport, or worse, an important necessity? How will the widening gap between groups be able to reconcile the difference between blind obedience, the satiation of lust, or the abuse of nature with advancement and progress? One would need to redefine these two terms and apply each in its separate context for any significance to be obtained for either. On their own "advancement" and "progress" will become like "god" or "evil", purely in the mind of the believer.

The grand split is not as far way as some may think. And others may believe that there is no fracture and that we are all one big family and will eventually find peace and eternal happiness if we just stop thinking so much and rather obey the rules. As the forests crash and the buildings rot and the children die and the animals and birds and vegetation vanish in front of us some will still persist in believing that some deity desires this or that some deity wants us to fight for it so it can inherit our earth and come here for a thousand years and rule like a benevolent despot until we become again its children.

Those who know better will drift off, seeking other worlds because they will be allowed no power to control any aspect of this one. This one will be ruled by drug lords and flesh merchants, corrupt politicians, corporations, and fascist nanny states controlled by primitive ideologies that all bear up under the plexidome of control.

Personally, I would rather die.

Most people are too afraid to die because they haven't been paying attention so they will uphold this rotten system that is creeping its tentacles across the world until it's too late and they are entrapped. By then nature will have a plan that supersedes god by several millennia and the rest will be unrecorded history.

It all concentrates for an instant on the luckless destiny of a single slumland dog. For a while this animal will suffer and be afraid. But this will not last as long as the suffering of humankind and the dog will be released into the compassion more comprehensive than a humanoid god.

How will humanity deal with this situation? Forget about it? Blame it on someone else? See it as a manifestation of "culture"? Raise the "artist" to some elevated position of greatness because he did something worthy and significant? (They will find a reason, or an excuse, they always do.) Say "it's only a dog"?

Sometimes it is not a dog, it is a woman. Sometimes it is not a woman it is a dissident. Sometimes it is a forest, sometimes an ocean, other times a butterfly or a real work of art, a building or a community.

Some day it will be a planet.

BonnieDundee

The act is certainly savage but I don't see why we should tarnish alot of people with the same brush. It seems bigoted to me, there is no need to attack all central Americans.

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Frith

Ah, a wondrous liberal in full flight. You need to visit a slum and see what people do to one another and then perhaps you won't feel the urge to utter that by now ubiquitous epithet of "bigot". Cruelty and abuse know no boundaries but to really understand this you need to have suffered yourself. You need to understand the dog not the dog's tormentor. Then you will also maybe understand the true hypocrisy of modern liberalism. The dog, you see, doesn't have a psychosis to examine and marvel over. The dog is just a victim of a culture, sorry "culture" that has lost its reason for existence and is going through the motions of life in a series of jerks and stutters before it collapses. The dog is innocent. The dog is just a dog. I know dogs and believe me, they are nothing like people. People who are good to know are invariably the ones that are more like dogs.

But, hey, go ahead, be our guest. Most of us have been called fascists, racists, lunatics, frauds and bigots, so nothing new there.