The Guvnah

To be honest I really couldn't give a monkey's about events halfway around the world, what I really object to is the total obsequious buttsucking that is the feature of our government in dealing with these savages in the name of maintaining trade (for which read profit for a few) and the fact that the British police (in concert with tracksuited Chinese goon squad) are being forced to enact their monopoly on the use of physical force against OUR people on OUR streets in defence of this and future trade. Some of those look very enthusiastic about it as well. A total disgrace. What a hideous creature Tessa Jowell really is.

We were going to name our daughter in honour of Dame Ellen but that is now of course out of the question.

bornfree

Yes I find the government's attitude towards China and Tibet interesting too.
Obviously one reason for the government's attitude is that it wants China to invest in the UK.
Another more interesting reason may be that the government feels ideologically close to China. The Chinese government practises what has been called `benign communism', and I suspect that this is what the government would like to practise, or is already practising.
Would the government take the same laid-back attitude towards a right wing regime that rejected civil rights? Mmm.
On the other hand the Chinese have modernised Tibet, albeit at the cost of the Tibetans' national identity and civil liberties. This might be an example of how the two governments are ideologically similar.

eublues

The EU too is about 'benign communism'. Pity the loss of our democracy doesn't excite as much protest as we see for Tibet.

Northumbrian

Typical English. They always have far more concern for anywhere else other than their own place.

The Bear

So Britain was disgraced by a rent a mob bunch of idiots and left wing loonies not to mention the Guardianistra out in force, and all behaving very badly.

Again.

Tibet was and is once more a region of China, and in any case it's NONE of our business.

End of story.

Olympic Flame

Are we watching the samething from BBC?
If the Chinese athletes and the British Policemen allowed the mobsters to dash in to put out the Olympic fire, it would be an embarrassment to the Chinese, but a far greater disgrace for Britain for it to happen on her soil.

Everyone is entitled to his or her own opinion but it should never come into conflict with acting civilisedly in public.

eublues

As someone says in the Telegraph today, why the obsession about the Olympics when Western banks and othe companies are opening operations in China every day.

youcanhandlethetruth

You talk so much sh*t Olymic Flame.
You are indicative of how mass murder and oppression can be turned into "a better standard of living"

Yes, being "civilized" is sooooo important, and if you have to impose tyranny and kill 77,000,000 of your own people(amongst other many many things) well, then that's just how it should be isn't it ?

Please stop talking cr*p by saying China has done nothing wrong - anyone can read the numerous posts made by Zak, myself and others on here if they want proof and not some completely inncaurate and rainbow based idea of freedom.

I'd call you hipocritical but I know you have no morals.....

And there's no reason for Tibet needing any "aid" either - they can manage themselves perfectly well, and probably better than the Chinese with their "one child policy" and eugenucs program.

I notice you didn't reply to the article I posted about Chinese posing as Buddhist monks to incite the rioting.
Do you have any comment or will you say nothing as before ?
After all, you were the first to blame the "rioters" weren't you ?
Or was it Tibets fault ?

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Olympic Flame

So your point is, due to the cold war era ideological errors of the communist leaders, we are supposed to spit at the current Chinese leaders, their people and a world sporting event like Olympic?

According to you logic, that we should say people who died in famine and political movement as "being killed by communists" in the 60s, then should be also see the 0.6 million Iraq civilians being "killed by Americans" or the victims of rising London crimes being subjected to torture of the establishment for their failure to bring back law and order of the Tories' time?
After all they are partly to be blamed right?

Facts and statistics speak louder than words.
There are more than enough evidence that for the past 30 years, Chinese in general, especially Tibetans have improved their lives tremendously. It is ironical that some call a "cultural genocide" when there are some Tibetan monks who preach in the day and drive in BMW at night back home, Tibetan singers making big money not only in China but also further ventured into Japan, high ranking Tibetan CCP members in the Chinese congress as well as some inter-ethnic marriages as well.

Some "Pro-Tibet" Indians come up with the hypothesis that PLA troops have been activated to "disguise as monks". They based on their evidence on a photo showing PLA soliders in green number 4 being given buddhist clothings.

However, the photo, in fact was taken in 2001 for a TV series/drama where CCTV require a large number of manpower as part time actors/actress for specific programmes. The state frequently borrow men from PLA in heavy-manpower based TV programmes such as dramas like "Romance of three Kingdom" where they need hundreds to act as ancient Chinese soldiers without the aid of special computing effects.

It has been reflected in official SINA English sites, cyberspace of Chinese Netizens, and probably Indian forums and sites as well.

Try keep yourself updated with news.
Our liberal-interventionist mainstream media consensus will only selectively do so.

youcanhandlethetruth

It's got nothing to do with the cold war - I don't know what the hell you're talking about. Nothing has changed in China since Mao came to power.
It's about the situation now.

You say "Facts and statistics speak louder than words."

And "There are more than enough evidence"

From someone who is happy to post only a fantasy view of the world without any supporting evidence, I would call that extremely hipocritical.

In fact you haven't presented any facts at all to support any of your claims, based in all likelihood on a total pack of lies.

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