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My wife knows a woman who was in that home as a child and she says she never heard of such things.

Looks like it could be another case of 'mass paedophilia' turning out to be 'mass hysteria'

Jersey is administered a good deal better than this shitehole of a so-called country, and the right sort of people are in charge there.

PCMadness

Welcome

I'll just quote them.... but it'll have to be a bit later. Back soon.

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My personal opinion on the muslim religion having looked into it. Is it is a horrible religion built around one mans thirst for power and control.

On saying that it does not mean every Muslim is.

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Originally from another thread

There is absolutely no comparison between his links and what happened in that shop. Had the father sawn the head off his 8 week old son ..then yes. Maybe I'm being a bit hard on HighlandFP but he didn't condemn what happened, rather diverting our gaze to totally unrelated events, which is why I made my point. Any criticism of his religion and he will lay the charge that all other religions are as bad. Then when that doesn't work he gets personal. It's already degenerated to that on another thread

I hear you but you are confusing events occuring during war and someone doing their shopping.

War is hell but the west is afraid to fight war to win. We're not fighting for victory, we're fighting to avoid as many civilian casualties as possible. Very admirable, but it won't win the war.
I might add, how many American soldiers have been blown away because children have been used to lure them into ambushes? Hamas and Hezbollah use and abuse children on a daily basis as human shields for propaganda gain. They love death we love life. They use our humanity against us, an absolute master stroke if you ask me..

Linky for the memos please.

I am and always have referred to Islamic fundamentalists. I think this is the biggest cause for concern for all of us. Most muslims are peaceful and those muslims live by the peaceful interpretations, but until they start addressing what lies within their communities, the extremist problems will not improve. Islamic extremism has existed every since Mohammed was exiled from Mecca...he was the first.

Ask any Indian Hindu if they think Islam is a religion of peace. They may just make mention of the 88 million of their co religionists that were slaughtered throughout the muslim conquest of India. We've seen where that led. India being carved up (Pakistan, Bangladesh and probably before too long Kashmir). We see it today in Kosovo, ethnic Albanians demanding independence of Kosovo. The church burning has already started. Is it coming to Europe? a very distinct possibilty. So I'm starting my fight now!

Just to be clear I don't think all muslims are bad but I do think there are far more extremists, with a voice, than people realise.

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PCMadness, I'm afraid I'm going to have to spell it out for you....

Your comment "the west is afraid to fight war to win."

Video: McCain says war in Iraq 'will be over soon'

"In early January, McCain told a crowd that U.S. troops could remain in Iraq for "maybe 100" years to ensure that Americans aren't being harmed. He later told a journalist that a thousand, and even a million, years in Iraq were fine with him."

Now consider this phoney "war on terror" and the shadowy enemy that is called Al-Qaeda....

Same as vietnam(staged "gulf of tonkin") the plan isn't about "winning" or protecting us from muslim extremists - it's about foreign wars for oil and defence contracts whilst controlling the population through fear of a shadowy enemy we can never defeat - a red herring that can always be blamed for terrorist attacks on the homeland.
The final objective is the capture of all sovereign nations into the New World Order.
In this way, our liberty is taken in the name of "freedom" and keeping us safe.
Look up "Patriot Act" and "Project for the New American Century" - Rebuilding america's defences where the neo-con think tank said in 2000:

"Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event – like a new Pearl Harbor."

http://www.newamericancentury.org/Re...asDefenses.pdf (pg 63)

Who do you think is funding Al-Quaeda and the muslim extremists in Iraq?

Ex-Congressman: U.S. Government Created Al-Qaeda, Involved In 9/11
Al Qaeda Tapes: Direct Link To Military Psyops And Donald Rumsfeld

Do you know Hitler burned his owned Reichstag to gain power and blamed it on his enemy's ?
It exactly the same thing.

I'm not saying the events you talk about aren't bad but all the media does is to create hysteria and fear of the population by fooling people like yourself that the real enemy are a few muslim extremists, supported by the globalist bankers.

Ask yourself, if it is so much of a threat, why does the British government allow mass immigration each year ? Wouldn't they close the borders if we were in danger of attack from these people ?
And what's to stop any muslim extremist from blowing himself up at the drop of a hat ?
Absolutely nothing, yet it never happens...
If you say well what about 9/11 and 7/7 ?

Then just consider this one single fact:

Both US and British intelligence were running drills at exactly the same date, at exactly the same time at exactly the same location on 7/7 and 9/11.

London Underground Bombing 'Exercises' Took Place at Same Time as Real Attack

Do you know what the odds of that are ? something in the tetragillions (about 1 in 26 zero's or soemthing like that)

Look at these articles too:

Terror's Trivial When It's Not Muslims
Framing Muslims in Turkey, Britain, Egypt and the Good Old USA
Muslim Riots Aid Neo-Con Global Agenda

Note the last article says:
"The elite is encouraging and fostering the spread of Islamofascism throughout Europe by allowing mass immigration in increasing levels year after year. It is in their interests to create a balkanized melting pot so they can use divide and conquer tactics to enslave all races under a centralized new world order."

Please bear in mind I'm only trying to warn you, becasue I don't want you wasting your time worrying about muslim extremists, most of whom are terrorists in the pay of CIA/MI5.
If you want to defeat the threat of islamic extremism, then defeat the government's phoney "war on terror", not a couple of terrible, yet fairly isolated incidents, bad as they may be.

So yes it could well be on it's way to Europe, but let's be aware who is to blame (bear in mind there are huge reservations any muslims carried out the attacks of 9/11 or 7/7 at all)

Sorry if you find all this shocking, but if you're not a government agent, I suggest it's crucial you get down to youtube and watch "terrorstorm" for free right now. Bear in mind at the end of the day, I'm only trying to help you.

Same applies for everyone else too....

You may be in denial for a long time before you research it enough to understand it all but that's totally understandable - I couldn't beleive it at first either.... It's a crazy world unfortunately.

Good luck.

By the way, I'm putting this up as a separate thread, it's too important not to.

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I swear if a Muslim pee'd down your leg you'd still only tell people it had been raining.

youcanhandlethetruth

I never said muslim extremists didn't exist or weren't a threat.

But consider this thread:
Bali bombings - open and shut case ?

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PCMadness

I'm sorry YCHTT, what you talk of may well be conspiracies.

BUT...I'm am not talking about Al-Queda, I'm not talking about Sept 11th, I'm not talking about july 7th, I'm not talking about Iraq. I'm not talking about Islamic Terrorism.

I am talking about the Islamic fundamentalist idealogy being embraced by more and more muslims. The Wahhabist ideology is being aggressively exported globally and financed to the hilt.

The western governments think they are using the Islamic extremism problem for their own benefit when in fact the reverse is true. You said

Simple answer is, they think the same as you, it is just a few terrorist blowing themselves up. We can't even call them islamic terrorists anymore, they are just criminals.

I haven't got time to discuss this now, but suffice to say, it is nothing to do with foreign policy of any Western nation. This is a war that has been running for many many centuries, with the aim of conquest of non-muslim lands.

I suggest you read into the history of Islam since it's inception..... It is not pretty reading.

Check your personal messages. I've sent a bit more info

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If you want to believe it's a conpiracy PCMadness then dream on.....
I've given you the information, so either you're in denial, you're a government op or you're too proud to admit you've been conned.

Sure I'll read up on what you say but it doesn't change the fact western governments are pushing islamist fundamentalism to support their "war on terror" and to distract the attention of people like yourself that they are the threat, when it is the government's agenda we should really be frightened of.

You say:

"The western governments think they are using the Islamic extremism problem for their own benefit when in fact the reverse is true."

How do you work that one out ? The government allow mass immigration, and believe it or not, no muslim carried out 9/11 and it's doubtful they claim responsibility for 7/7 either.

I'll be interested to know how the islamists are using the government like you say - is it in your literature ? Can you explain ?

You other point "it is just a few terrorist blowing themselves up"

Well they're not - that was my point ! There's nothing to stop them blowing themselves up, yet they never do, and even in the occasional instances like the Bali bombing (did you read the link ?) when they plant bombs, there's normally intelligence services right behind them setting off far larger explosions.

As I said look into 7/7 - no evidence of anyone "blowing themsleves up" at all.

If you're not concerned about your loss of liberty's, the growing fascist police state and the "Terrorism act" then up to you, but personally the government agenda worries me a lot more than a few "Islamic fundamentalists" most of whom act as provacateurs, hired by the government.

I might take a look at what you read, but whatever history shows, the present shows a currently different picture entirely.

Anyway thanks for the info.

I'll make a deal with you - you watch terrorstorm and I'll read your literature.
Then we'll compare notes....

Deal ?

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PCMadness

Finally had some time to reply.

Sorry mate, you are the resident conspiracy theorist on this forum. The government may well be, and probably are using Terrorist Islamic fundamentalism, but I think they underestimate what they are actually letting out of the cage.
This is history, go back to the start (around 1400 years ago).

Well this is your conspiracy theory after all, but I, again must stress that I am not talking about Terrorists. They exist in all colours and creeds across the world. The government is using the situation to force through draconian laws and fight wars but that nothing to do with what the world faces. The government, being the left wing, cultural marxist, hand wringers they are, take great delight in dismantling what was a reasonably cohesive society where their ultimate aim is state control. By the same token they actually believe that multiculturalism is for our own good, hence the mass uncontrolled immigration when in fact millenia of history shows that multiculturalism just doesn't work and genreally ends in war.

You miss my point....those who a stupid enough to blow themselves up, are just that. The government don't believe that they are a movement that could affect the politics of a nation and I agree. What I don't think they fully understand is the larger ideology that is driving the 'few' who do take this ultimate step. The Wahabbi ideology that is sweeping the world has many followers but does not appear to be being taken seriously by the west. If it were, there would be mosque closures, deportations and sanctions against Saudi Arabia.

Of course I worry about my loss of liberties. The way the government is using the situation is deplorable. But that's just it. The situation (i.e. Islamic extremism) DOES exist globally and they are using it for their own ends. If the Islamists ever gained enough power, those governments that allowed them to get to that position will be as ****** as the rest of us.

Does it? Does it really? Care to explain ? We are blindly repeating history.

One thing though, the literature I sent you is historical fact and will have nothing in common with terrorstorm, which I assume is based on consiracy theories, so there will be nothing really to compare.

I will try, but I don't know when I'll get time. I'm currently packing up my life to move back to the UK (If I can swim against the current of emigrants)

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