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The Bear> All I'm suggesting is that if my country had come under attack I'd want to know who funded them. If the head of the countries Intel services was sitting having breakfast with me whilst his officers where funding extremists (and let's face it, it's common knowledge that the ISI has funded and propped up some pretty dodgy groups, and has officers and ex officers who are sympathetic to extremists) I'd want a word with him!

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C_steam

F*** me. I didn't realise it that it was not muslim terrorists who caused 9/11. Best I nip out quick to the kebab houses of the locality and apologise to all and sundry - particularly the ones with the rather inflammatory literature on show which talk about 'kill the infidels'. I'll also post a few anti-prophet cartoons, since I now realise these muslim fundamentalists are really nice chaps who appreciate a laugh and a joke.

I might even goose the next burqa clad lady who walks past. That'll have 'em rolling in the aisles of the local mosques, I'm sure.

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Hey YCHTT

I don't want to crash this thread with with an off topic discussion.

Come over to this thread to continue our discussion if you like.

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Okey doke, I'll finish off this thread and come over.

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I fully admit that Alex doesn't necessarily have the answer to the problem, but I'm totally with him on his analysis - very rarely not backed up by documentation and evidence.
He may sound out of control, but appearances are deceptive, as politicians show.
If you want to debate any of his views you don't believe, I'd be happy to debate them with you.

Sorry I dont mean to scream at anybody at all, but maybe that's how it comes across.
I apologize for any offence I may have caused.

I probably am way too defensive or whatever, but I'm trying to be assertive with the truth to shake people up - maybe a bad idea, I'm not sure.

You're probably right in saying "you can't scream at people because they don't share your conclusions".
Maybe a bad idea, I concede that.

Trouble is - I've tried the softly softly approach before - once you start playing the politically correct game that you can't go too far or "sound" too radical, you end up defeating your own argument, but who sets the rules ?

And if people are never going to look at these sites becasue they've already made up their mind, what is there to lose ?

With all due and total respect mkp, I'm suprised that intelligent people like yourself cannot take a further maybe more frightening step towards examining the bigger picture, and work out what is really going on.

You say "It borders on religious fervour sometimes".
But the question is, is it me or is it what I'm saying ?
If the truth is frightening is that my fault ?
Do I have some obsession or am I just obsessed with telling the truth ?
Again, I'm not shouting at you, just trying to share my honest opinion.

Have a look at the websites - if you don't agree with them, at least you've had a look(maybe you already did).

I just wanted to learn what was really happening, as uncomfortable as it makes anyone including myself feel.
In actual fact, once you get over it, it's not that bad and you accept it.
Personally I don't "enjoy" it at all - so why would I keep an unhealthy obsession ? Not for the fun of it I assure you.
In my opinion, it's very important people realise what they're up against or we're all screwed.

Yes probably more alarmist sounding words there, and I may be wrong, but in your gut, are you sure I'm wrong ?
Would the people who accused Hitler have been accused of being obsessed crackpots ?
Most people believed Hitler so they probably would have done I guess.

Whether I should keep things to myself or not is the big question.
Of course I can't do anything alone, but if I don't try to tell the truth as I see it, then I am as guilty as the next man of being complacent.
I assure you I don't intend to frighten or worry people, but you can't have it both ways I'm afraid.
How I do that is the tricky part of course, but again, maybe I'm wrong, but without wanting to sound like a big head, I don't think I am.

Maybe I should to stop telling people how they should think(no one likes a know it all).
I do my best just to let the facts speak for themselves but again, if people are not aware, how can I make them aware without telling them ?
After all, I'm mainly trying to present facts, not theories.

If people are scared off by me, then I apologize to them, but I guess they will be scared off by anything else they see that is similar too.
I don't think people (including yourself to a small degree) quite understand how corrupt the system really is and what's at stake - it goes a lot farther than the EU, that's only the tip of the iceberg in my opinion.
Yes I know that I sound patronizing ! But what can I do ? Shut up maybe ?!

If I am a bit over the top it's for an important reason - but if you tell people that they think you're a lunatic.(not saying you're saying that)

Anyway sorry, I certainly don't mean any offence to you or anyone whatsoever - people can always add me to their ignore list I suppose

Maybe you're right - I'll try to tone down my rantings a bit if it gets peoples backs up - but not my intention I promise.

Thanks for your friendly advice - I do appreciate it.

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I'm not really one to give advice. I rant with the best of them at times.

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All I say is what I've stated before in this thread:

The point is as I see it, is that it has been proved by expert scientists and pilots that the official explanation of a plane hitting the pentagon is impossible.

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The issue is not about anyone (including myself) putting forward their theory as to what happened to explain the events.
It is a case of providing sufficient evidence to prove or disprove the official explanation (which includes a boeing 757 hitting the pentagon)

Just considering the penatgon alone, then the official explanation that a boeing hit the pentagon has been disproved, not to mention the rest of the inconsistencies in the story.

That is why there should be an independent investigation(apart from all the other mass of evidence that exists) is absolutely vital.

But let's be clear - no hijacker, muslim or otherwise, flew into the pentagon.
Yes it may "sound" crazy but the proof is all there - no doubt about that.

All I'd say C_steam is that when I found out, I found it very difficult to admit I was wrong too. I was in denial for a long long time.

Your remark - "the ones with the rather inflammatory literature on show which talk about 'kill the infidels'"

May I ask you - are you referring to what you see on television ?

Yes there are some extremists, but if one looks into it they start to understand who is supporting them, and why we're seeing them flashing them up on the television screen at every opportunity. But does it accurately reflect the real world ?

I know you probably won't appreciate these comments but ever wondered what the real political motive for the "war on terror" is ?

To protect us ? But statistically you've got more a lot more chance of dying in a car accident than dying from terrorism...

And why do we have to give up our "liberties" in the name of "freedom" ?

Do you know that the US neo-con think tank in 2000 said in their report "Project for the New American Century" - "Rebuilding America's defences":

"Further, the process of transformation,even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event – like a new Pearl Harbor."

http://www.newamericancentury.org/Re...asDefenses.pdf (pg63)

But I honestly don't expect you to believe me - maybe just look into it - have you watched "Loose change" on youtube for example ?
If you think it's a lot of b**lshit once you've seen it, then fair enough.

I promise I'm not trying to get your back up at all.
I'm just trying to get people to look into it for themselves because we're all being played like a fiddle by the mainstream media.

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But you're right - I do sometimes ram it down peoples throats at times.
I find it difficult not to, but I'm trying to go softly softly....

Is there anything you disagree with me about mkp ?
I won't shout at you I promise !

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The only thing I would say is you sound a bit too Alex Jones at times. I actually like the guy. He has been spot on with a number of issues for me, but he does tend to get over excited and I also think he sees demons where there maybe are none sometimes.

His mate Paul Joseph Watson is very impressive. He is British for a start, but everything he says, is always carefuly researched and backed up. He is clearly a very smart lad and Jones is lucky to have him on the team.

I won't just write off what they say, because the MSM tell me to. However, I prefer to hear peoples own formulated and reasoned arguments, over regurgitation.

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Fair point - must admit I have wondered if I've given that impression myself.

All I'd say is that when you're trying to cover a lot of ground quickly, and you believe something to be true, it's a lot quicker to rely on something you believe to be better than something you could independently research yourself, possible for hours.
If I get a prisonplanet article that contains another link, I'll always post the other link instead.
I've read practically all of these articles before, and I won't tend to just post up something if I haven't read it and don't believe it myself.

But I understand how people can imagine I'm acting like a parrot, so I try to avoid that when I can, but it's diffcult when your views are pretty close.

I like Paul Waton a lot too, but for a change, I am actually going to crticize him on one story he wrote recently.....

When the earthquake occured, I read this article, and thought he was making a mountain out of a molehill....

Britons Thought Earthquake Was Al-Qaeda Attack

I thought he was just looking for something to back up his pre-held belief, and it comes out a bit in the way he writes it.

And to be honest, I think their websites sometimes given slightly misleading and attention grabbing headlines(though I can't fault the content too much)

What do you think of this one ?

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