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......not a plane flown by a devout Muslim .....

PROVE
1.) That the plane was flown by a "devout Muslim".
PROVE
2.) That the "Muslim" was "devout".

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A devout Muslim would rationalise his act as one of martyrdom that would give him a “go straight to paradise” card for him and any other Muslim killed in the act.

As for the rest, I had thought that YCHTT was having a laugh.

Now I see he’s deadly serious.

There’s an old saying. “If a man argues with a fool, then two fools argue”

I guess I must be a fool for having not realised that he was serious.

youcanhandlethetruth

Q. So what hit the light poles ?

A. We don't know - but we know it wasn't American Airlines flight 77. How do we know any plane "hit" them at all ? We don't....

The same that we don't know what hit the pentagon, but it wasnt flight 77.

However in the presentation there were numerous eye witness reports of a small commuter plane/small passenger jet and a nearby plane fly above it's hotel and "drop it's landing gear".

I guess you haven't watched the video, because it also gives another possible explanation of what happened. You should watch it !

Q. A big if......and then where did it go????

Not a big if at all - it's scientifically proven fact that flight 77 did not hit the pentagon, not to mention all the corroborating evidence supporting it too.

Where did the boeing go ? We don't know - to me that's the scary thing.

Q So now there's a C130 circling as well??? Did anyone see it???

A. This statement was according to Feltzer - founder of scholars for 911 truth.
I don't know if anyone saw it or not but I would be suprised if someone of his scientific stature said it based on nothing at all.
I need the time to look into that more, but he says "might have" not that it is totally true.
He is saying it based on the fact there was no evidence of wreckage from the boeing, so therefore there must be another explanation for that wreckage - but he is giving only a possible explanation, not that it's true.

Q. I thought compression occurred nearer the sound barrier? That was nowhere near the sound barrier.

What's the land speed record? How was it set? Was it faster than 500mph?

Have you ever seen a fighter jet do a very fast transonic flyby at 50 feet or less? I have and it didn't crash.

A. Why are you asking me ? I'm no aviation or physics expert.....

But the 15 professional pilots with extensive military and commercial carrier experience carried out this analysis were - that's the point.
If you've got any questions, go to the website pilotsfor911truth.org, e-mail them and see what they say. I'd be interested to know too.

Q. Too many other important things that I can do something about than waste my time discussing theories that will never be proved one way or another.

Don't you feel life is just passing you by?

A. It has ALREADY been proved !
Sorry but whether you choose to believe the scientific facts it is up to you.

Bear in mind Steven E Jones from Scholars for 911 truth(Scholars for 9/11 Truth - Home) claims he has also proved that no boeing hit the pentagon, even I haven't looked into that yet. Why ? Because there's so much evidence I can't cover it all !

In answer to your question PCMadness, look at your signature -
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."

The point is as I see it, is that it has been proved by expert scientists and pilots that the official explanation of a plane hitting the pentagon is impossible.

And as I said before, the issue is not about Bear or anyone else(including myself) putting forward their theory as to what happened to explain the events.
It is a case of providing sufficient evidence to prove or disprove the official explanation.

In this case the official explanation has been disproved - fact.

That is why there should be an independent investigation(apart from all the other mass of evidence that exists) is absolutely vital.

But let's be clear - no hijacker, muslim or otherwise, flew into the pentagon.
Yes it may "sound" crazy but the proof is all there - no doubt about that....

I suspect you (and possibly Bear too but Bear may have his own agenda) don't quite realize what is going on at the heart of the US government....

I recommend you check my other posts and look into it - you will be amazed what else you don't know.

By the way Bear, of course I'm deadly serious - you think I would waste my time on half baked conspiracy theories ?

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youcanhandlethetruth

If you want more conclusive proof about flight 77, here are some BBC photos of the flight 77 hijackers all alive and well - taken in 2004 !
BBC NEWS | In Pictures | In pictures: Flight 77 hijackers

I didn't have room for all my other evidence & links in my previous post:

Here's some links:

pilotsfor911truth.org
Scholars For 9/11 Truth
Scholars for 9/11 Truth - Home
Scholars for 9/11 Truth & Justice

Some extra information:

If you look at this specification of a boeing it shows the wingspan is just over 124 feet.
Boeing 757-200: Exterior Views

Some other information that's casts significant doubt on Bear's claims:

9/11 Gas Station Video Released - Does not show Flight 77
Proof That 'Flight 77' Eyewitness Report Skewed
Where Are the Dead People From Flight 77?
Flight Of The Bumble Planes

I could go on and on and on.....

If people really believe that the world's most heavily fortified airspace was penetrated by a bunch of muslim hijackers with boxcutters, then that is a conspiracy alone, but it has been proved beyond doubt that it was impossible for flight 77 to hit the pentagon (regardless of any other information), or any of the other reams of unanswered questions.

So yes I am embarrassed - but for you Bear......

"In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act"
George Orwell "1984"

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PCMadness

WOAH WOAH WOAH....please stop.

Please look again at the above link you so kindly posted. Where does it say the pictures were taken in 2004. That page was updated in 2004 but those photos are of them checking in the day they flew flight 77 into the Pentagon. Read the captions.......PLEASE!!!!

Earlier I asked you a few questions and the common answer to all those questions was "we don't know" with other words such as "could", "possible" etc etc etc.

This is not proof.

I haven't watched the video because it over an hour long. I haven't got the time or the bandwidth. If it's full of the "fantastic" claims you presented as fact, such as $2.3 trillion going missing than frankly I will not waste my time.

You can fold and twist the "evidence" as much as you like, it will not change a thing and all you will do is drive yourself mad in trying to prove something that is not proveable....ever!!!

I have no agenda I just cannot be arsed spending my life worrying if the american government orchestrated 9/11 or not. There are other battles I wish to fight, like creeping Islamism within my country, political correctness, social marxism.

I'm not having a go at you but none of this "evidence" is that at all..... it's opinion, conjecture, theory and no real proof or fact at all. Ask ten people who saw an event and they will all make a different statement as to what they saw.

I believe in what my signature states, but this appears to be your battle not mine.

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Ooops you're right - I cocked that one up for sure - I missed seeing the comment at the bottom.

It's probably because there are so many other reports of suspected hijackers turning up alive and well:

BBC NEWS | World | Middle East | Hijack 'suspects' alive and well
Seven of the WTC Hijackers found alive!
BBC NEWS | World | Middle East | Hijack 'suspect' alive in Morocco
FBI Denies Mix-Up Of 9/11 Terrorists

Note the BBC says:

"And there are suggestions that another suspect, Khalid Al Midhar(Suspected hijacker Flight 77), may also be alive."

So I hold my hands up for misreading that but the fact remains some of the supposed hijackers are still alive. Whether it a true or not, or a case of mistaken identity, I don't know.

I'm not trying to shout at you or point the finger at all - I just presumed you had an interest in it because you posted on the thread, hence my reply.
But honestly, if you're not interested, no worries, fine by me.
And I'm certainly not accusing you of anything.

As for folding or twisting the evidence, I can assure you I'm not because even if I wanted to, I don't need to.

I'm not trying to prove what happened, I'm just showing the official story has already been disproven and there are big holes in the official story.

Your comment "none of this "evidence" is that at all." is not accurate in my opinion.

All I'd say is that if you are concerned about creeping Islamism, political correctness and social marxism then (in my opinion) it's very doubtful anything will change until you understand where it originates from.

Anyway I'm not having a go at you I promise, just giving you my honest opinion.

Ok take it easy.

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PCMadness

Just thought I'd point that out.

I will always have a passing interest in what is being discussed and will interject at times, but I'm not going to get drawn into this whole conspiracy theory world, because frankly, I feel it can become an unhealthy obsession.

I have enough trouble checking myself when I get excited about my other battles I mentioned

Is that official??

Sorry had to do that

As far as I am concerned there are just too many ifs' and maybes in the whole truth movement.

Well it didn't originate from 11/9 or 7/7 that's for sure. Islamism in the 7th century...fact! Marxism in the mid to late 19th century... fact! and political correctness from the marx loving baby boomers of the 60's ....fact! but they'd only deny it.

Never thought that for a minute...

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Ok no worries PCMadness.

Yes, it's official but not stamped so by the government !

I'm not sure why you're trying to defeat those things but I wish you luck in your quest. (maybe - I'm not sure what you're concerned about )

I'll take it easy with the "conspiracy" stuff when you're on the thread

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PCMadness

Because in short, they are all gradually destroying Great Britain and our heritage.

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I agree with you about political correctness, but would argue a lot of the governments policies are based on politically correct ideas.

I don't know about Marxism - haven't really looked at it and fully admit I don't really know what it is.

As for Islamism, are you against it because of immigration or something else ?

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