youcanhandlethetruth

Cassie, I'm afraid that you, like the millions of illegals who are flooding into the states, seem to be unaware of the troubles facing the US in the coming future.

Yes they will have a slightly better standard of living now, but when the dollar collapses and is worth toilet paper it will be a very different story.....

I suggest that you learn a bit more about the problems facing the US, including the falling dollar and the privately owned federal reserve which is stopping the bubble from bursting.

Try visiting infowars.com

ChrisV

So many of those points were stupid, as for the people who responded by saying that BNP is the future for the UK..... I can't believe how ill thought out that answer was.

Here are a few points:

Wars - Iraq is a mess but if we have the oil in 20 years it will all be worth it.

Ownership of guns - coming across as a good ol redneck there

9/11 - Tell the truth?!?!?! What truth? That terrorists hijacked a few planes and flew them into a few buildings?

Posion with vaccines - Tell me your joking right. People here in the UK have stopped getting vaccines and as such a number of dangerous diseases are coming back!

Ruby Ridge - Mistakes happen. Accept it.

New World Order - Yup there is a new world order but it's not the one you expect. I'll explain it to you 1. China 2. America 3. India

BNP - They're in the right direrction but if you read their manifesto they have so many rediculous ideas that could never be done.

youcanhandlethetruth

ChrisV,

When I read the first line of your post I thought "He seems informed".

How wrong first impressions can be.........

"Iraq is a mess but if we have the oil in 20 years it will all be worth it."

So it doesn't matter if 100,000's of innocent people die - just so long as you can keep your car running ? You ignorant selfish **** !

In fact we don't need the oil - there has never been more oil - but artificial scarcity is created to keep the public fooled and raise oil prices.

You obviously know very little about history, the American constitution, 9/11, vaccines, in fact it seems you know very little at all....

I'm shouldn't even educate you because you don't deserve to be educated but because you might have kids here's a quick rundown of your misinformed points........

Whether you agree with guns or not, there is an amendment put in the American constitution allowing American's to defend themselves against tyrannical(look it up) governments.

9/11 - watch "Loose change" on google video then refute all these points please:

THE TOP 40
REASONS TO DOUBT THE OFFICIAL STORY OF SEPTEMBER 11th, 2001
911truth.org ::::: THE TOP 40

Poison with vaccines - look into "eugenics". You think AIDS was created by some bloke giving a monkey one ? That is a joke.
Believe it or not, disease in the form of bioweapons can be created in laboratories and then spread across the population. In fact they can be created to target specific races.....

And the number of diseases has INCREASED since vaccines were given to the population and vaccines haven't stopped - they are given routinely to children. So you're totally wrong there.

Ruby Ridge - the feds didn't accidentally turn up out of no-where......

You last answer is the most comical - 1. China 2. America 3. India
God knows what you mean by that.........

We all like to think we are right, but please try to at least show some initiative and do some research - not just think what's easiest to think because you watched TV or can't be bothered to find out.....

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Millions of people worldwide will not sign up to this. The video deals with issues that relate to the US only. I have enough problems with the taxman without making a pointless statement.

Nobody in the UK can have an effect on the US laws.

If guns are taken in the US how will my rights be affected?

I want the ownership of handguns to be legalised in this country, but I want serious controls. Given the f@ckwits currently roaming our country the last thing we need is to give them the 'right' to bear arms, a right incidentally granted at a time when the majority in some states (New York for instance) were still loyal to the Crown and could not be relied on not to have a counter-revolution and when the natives were still upset by the dispossession being generated by their land being stolen and given to 'illegal' white immigrants.

The right to bear arms incidentally was granted by people who hunted native Americans for sport (Andrew Jackson) and who owned black human beings as slaves (George Washington). It was not a universal right, nor was the right to be equal or to be free - ask the blacks and native Americans how they were equal? Slavery was abolished in 1865, but blacks in Florida were still denied votes as recently as 2000.

Income tax 'illegal'? Federal reserve 'illegal'? These are not issues even discussed in most of the world. Income tax was introduced to fight a war with the French - hardly illegal or immoral.

This demonstrates the way US conspiracy theorists don't understand how anybody else in the world thinks. I've spent half of the last year observing elections around the world (Albania, Armenia, Kazakhstan, Ukraine and Georgia) and the Federal reserve, income tax, the right to bear arms etc were not in any manifestos.

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youcanhandlethetruth

This video does not apply to the US only - it affects us all, not just Britain but western civilization as a whole.

Let's go through the points one by one:

Gun control - ok I'll give you that one.....

Habeus corpus - certainly does apply. How would you feel if you or a member of your family went missing and you had no justification or means to demand the state show you the body ? I think you'd be pretty distraught wouldn't you ?

pre-emptive wars - do you not care that innocent people are being un-necessarily killed around the world ? Obviously not.

posse comitatus - not my strong suit so I'll pass

9/11 - inside job. If you aren't skeptical about 7/7 then you should be..... You have to ask, if they are willing to do this, what else are they prepared to do to their own citizens ? The implications are frightening.

don't pretect our borders - the states have opened the floodgates. Aren't we doing exactly the same thing in Britain ? The parallels of multicultaralism and political correctness are common between the US and UK.

destroying our sovereignty - don't think I even need to go into this one.....

poison us with flouride and vaccines - yes the vaccines are already here and they are trying to put flouride in the water supply across the whole of the UK. "Am I bovvered ?" - not if the government has it's way.......

Ruby Ridge and Waco - mass murder ops in the US. Let's hope the growing police state doesn't go this far but don't be suprised if they do.

Real ID cards - isn't this a very real threat to UK citizens ? I think so. NO2ID:stop ID cards and the database state

New World Order - you WILL know about it when it's too late (if you don't already)

illegal federal reserve - try watching "money as debt" on youtube.
We will all be affected by the coming worldwide economic depression - even you yuppies who think you're ok now...

illegal income tax - yes maybe only the US has no law but taxation is getting steeper and steeper in the UK and becomes a real issue for everyone.

So I've shown that to say there's nothing to worry about is not only inaccurate but in my opinion is also irresponsible and ignorant.

Aardvark - if you want to pacify yourself feel free but don't mislead the rest of us and don't call us conspiracy theorists because you haven't looked into the facts properly.

Aardvark

The effect of US law on habeas corpus (lit. 'thou hast the body') in the USA is different to the effect in this country. Signing up to a US protest will not bring back habeas corpus in 'terrorist' cases where people can be held for 28 days as opposed to 48 hours. This has to be dealt with through our own system. It is nothing to do with showing bodies, but releasing people who are held without being brought before the courts.

I don't like 'pre-emptive' wars where there is no clear threat as in Iraq. A pre-emptive war when Hitler occupied the Rhineland, or built an airforce, or raised more than 100,000 troops in contravention of Versailles would have saved a lot of hassle.

For posse comitatus read lynch mob - the posse in western films where a Sherriff could round up 20 guys with horses and guns and chase and kill an accused without a proper trial. Much like hue and cry which has fallen into desuetude.

9/11 not an inside job. I'm sceptical, but not that sceptical. 7/7 is still being discussed, but I'm happy to believe that a group of disgruntled Pakistanis were stupid enough to believe that they were going to change the world. The net is full of self-centred nutters who believe that the world's population is quaking in its boots after a long hard ignore of their websites.

The US started with illegal land seizures from the native populace. It grew from multicuturalism - Catholic French and Protestant Dutch settlers were as different 300 years ago as Spanish-American Catholics and 'white' Americans are today. The borders of the US are not relevant to me. Signing up to a US campaign will not restore order to the UK's borders.

The sovereignty of the UK will not be restored by signing up to a US campaign. Independence and sovereignty mean different things in the USA with its 50 constituent members. The issue of our loss of sovereignty is being discussed, or not, in the House of Commons. It makes more sense to write to your own MP in the UK rather than sign up to a US campaign which is not directed to our Parliament.

I've just voluntarily had 5 vaccines to bring my jabs up to date. I travel widely and don't want diptheria (outbreak in Russia) or Hep A (all over the stans). There is a debate about fluoride in our country (I use a fluoride toothpaste as a certain level is helpful). It is in all major newspapers and appears to be transparent. Some of the conspiracy theories about vaccines are precisely that and have as much scientific credibilty as chemtrails. All vaccines in our country are tested and meet certain requirements. If you don't want them you don't have to have them and when I was at school a couple of boys didn't have BCG because their parents objected. There is no compulsory vaccination in the UK.

Ruby Ridge and Waco!!! Which Waco - the massacre of the Commanche, women and children as well, by the US cavalry as their lands were seized or the massacre of the heavily armed religious nuts? It can't happen here and it is not relevant to any UK subject. Why would I care about the **** ups in the US? What can I do to stop them in the future? Why should I sign up to protest?

ID cards - I am a committee member of Oxford No2ID and am active in the campaign. We had a meeting only 2 weeks ago to protest the opening of the new interrogation centre in Oxford. I have distributed leaflets and got people to sign a petition. My agent at the last GE, an expert on databases, spoke at a public rally with a Tory and Lib Dem MP. I have written to my MP, David Cameron, on the subject. I have been far more effective than by signing up to a US campaign.

New World Order - new world chaos! Nothing changes. In my own little way I am involved in trying to bring democracy to other countries. Reports I have written or contributed to have been incorporated in documents shared around some 56 sovereign countries. I live and breathe international politics and have spent half of the last year involved in international political observation missions.

The Federal Reserve is illegal? By which law? Not covered by UK law. I can't affect it. I'm aware of the impending recession, but signing up to an American conspiracy theorists' campaign is not going to stop it. I'm honestly not a yuppy, as all those who know me will testify. I'm not young, other than in spirit, as evidenced by my being a grandfather. I'm not upwardly mobile and wouldn't want to be.

Tax is an issue, but signing up to a US protest against a form of taxation that we've 'enjoyed' on and off for over 200 years is unlikely to change anything. No Parliamentary party in the UK is committed to the abolition of income tax and nor is UKIP. I favour taxation as a way of funding the state I live in. Quantity is an issue, but again can only be dealt with by changing our government, not that of the USA.

youcanhandlethetruth, I am not seeking to mislead anyone, but this US campaign is not of relevance to me. I didn't say we have nothing to worry about. I think we have a lot to worry about, but we have to focus our energies in our country. The US campaign is not going to get support of millions of people worldwide; it will be hard pressed to get support of millions of people in the US. Most people in the UK have never heard of half of the issues in the video - Ruby Ridge, Waco, Federal Reserve, 'illegal' income tax, right to bear arms, posse comitatus mean nothing. Most people in the developed world live in countries that have ID cards - to them it is not an issue. Most people live in countries where the 'right to bear arms' is not incorporated in the constitution. Most people in the world have never heard of any of the issues raised and will not be signing up to this campaign. Most US conspiracy theorists have never set foot outside of the USA (only 7% of the US population have carried a passport) and genuinely have no idea how the rest of the world operates.

I ask every US citizen I drink with the following questions - none have ever got it right.

Which are the northernmost, westernmost, southernmost and easternmost US states? Without looking at a map give me the answers.

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If frreedom is an anglo saxon only thing, then BNP wont be a good representation of anglo saxon value since their party's leadership is based on Nick Griffin's one man dictatorship.

If you know the historical root of the party it used to be formed by National Fronts members-basically shaven lads who are Nazi wannabes, and it was only after they had begun to wear ties and suits they became more popular.

Roland

Agreed

How'd you like your kids legs blown off. Your wife murdered. They are innocent people. Thats Also our soldiers dying out there.

ChrisV we will not have control of the oil the elite will have control of the oil and selling it to us at a discount rate will not be high on their list of priorities.

A small group of international bankers can bankrupt any country by simply stopping loans. The same people are after the oil they will have absolute power over the world. I would throughly suggest you wake up.

There are three types of people liberals, fascist and those that haven't been paying attention.

That was part of the American constitution because the founding fathers realized that America was A new state that had many mistakes to learn.
One of the biggest was voting in George Bush.

Watch this and then make your mind up. All the information you can critically Analise. Every bit of info every person spoken about you can look further into.
You have at your fingertips the greatest research tool the world has ever known.

mkpdavies

That's the old version. Here is the newest one.

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=5943038938676058989&q=loose+change +final+cut+duration%3Along&total=48&start=0&num=10 &so=0&type=search&plindex=9

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