david H

This pertains to two issues: our mutual support for Ron Paul and how the media disseminate political propaganda -

US elections are rigged long before the voting results are falsified.
The news media helps the process along by making (or trying to make) legitimate candidates disappear.
In the 2008 campaign for president, the candidate the news media is trying to trivialize and marginalize Ron Paul.
In 1992, the "disappeared" candidate was Democrat Larry Agran. A former mayor, Agran ran on a campaign of spending the "peace dividend" on rebuilding America's cities and cutting the military budget dramatically.
Like Ron Paul, he had significant popular support, but in the age before the Internet, the then all-poweful news media was able to make him disappear. Thanks to the Internet, we have made progress since 1992.
See what media manipulation was like pre-Internet in this short excerpt from Brian Springer's remarkable film "Spin":

How to make<br>a candidate disappear

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Roland

David H

The tactics that were used their are the same as over here according to a lot of opinion polls UKIP have no percentage of the vote. It's a clever trick they don't suppress a voice they just don't allow it to exist. Biggest problem as i see it is Ruppert Murdoch now quite literally owns the world media. Who is one of the major players at 'builderburg'.

Thanks for the linx especially about W Churchill one of the greatest men that ever walked the planet their were some intresting quotes i've never heard before. It's ashame that social idealists are now it would seem trying to right the man out of history.

Ron paul and his followers have obviously worked out the problems faced with media distortion and have learn't to use the internet to spread the word. What happens in America is exstreamly important to what happens over here
and in the rest of the world. I don't agree with all that he says but at least he speaks his mind if he has success in America it would be the greatest thing that has happened since J F Kennedy. So we should all give him our support.
Even if he dose not make it to president at least he now has a voice that steps away from following the party line in public the least it will do is slow the social idealists both communist and fascist down.

Hope this works first time i've tryed to put a link on one of these forums
but as you seem to be a bit of a one for history i've only just realized why the socialit movement in this world seems to stink of a fascist movement their
one in the same.

The Mystery of Fascism by David Ramsay Steele

david H

Roland, Ron Paul is saying something that goes against the grain and his support is spontaneous and at ground level. Around 320 Ron Paul meetupgroups sprang up spontaneously in the States and the establishment tried to ignore him but can no longer. He seems a genuinely decent man and that is refreshing.
You are right about Churchill though. The revisionists arebusy trying to discredit him. Pat Buchanan is bringing a book out about him and Hitler and what he calls an unnecessary war that led to not only our loss of Empire but to the West losing the world. We certainly are in retreat but I have always thought that was the fault of the americans: Roosevelt and stalin pushed Churchill out and Eisenhower stopped Montgomery allowing the Russians to take half Europe.

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david H

I have just received this from Central New York Ron Paulmeetup and post it for your interest -

"I have just posted a neat article in my blog about the feeling we all get that something is wrong, but most people can't put their finger on it.

Ron Paul: But Something is Wrong! « Ron Paul Commentaries

“I am a firm believer in the people. If given the truth, they can be depended upon to meet any national crisis. The great point is to bring them the real facts.” -Abraham Lincoln
Are those who somehow aren't yet aware of the Ron Paul movement or know only what the mainstream media have painted of it having that nagging feeling you get when the checkbook just won't balance? Something a little like that persistent agitation of hearing a familiar song and struggling to remember who the artist is?
Something is clearly amiss, or at the edge of memory, but you just can't quite put your finger on it. There’s an underdog campaign that has set a GOP fundraising record – and all from small, individual contributors – which is also receiving the most contributions from military men and women of any presidential campaign while inspiring a true ‘rainbow coalition’ to join up with a commitment and passion undreamt in modern political history.

But something is wrong.
TV news keeps assuring us that it's just a fringe movement while they report with glee on a brothel owner's 'endorsement'. They go all out over some neo-nazi screwball paypaling $500 to the campaign website (who even knew who this guy was until the media broke it as a story?) all the while more or less ignoring the college campuses all over America abuzz with creative energy and ideas to further the movement.
In fact, attacking the supporters seems to be all they have – usually it’s a candidates record or checkered past that’s put under the microscope. That it’s the supporters getting the media black eye in many cases should tell you a great deal about Ron Paul’s impeccable record over ten terms in congress. In my research I’ve only been able to confirm one ‘flip-flop’ and this was on capital punishment which he no longer supports for the unfair manner in which it is meted out.
John Stewart quipped on the Daily Show, “You’re known as an honest man of integrity and principle….American voters don’t usually go for that.” And Bill Maher, not known for endorsing republicans, said recently that Ron Paul is “his new hero.”
From USC to Harvard to MIT to U of M and OSU, we see a spectacular display of patriotism and democracy vibrating with a cool intensity and determination. From the planes flying over Wolverine Stadium to the planes flying over St. Petersburg Florida to the rooftops of Manhattan and now to the airship - all 200 feet of her - something very unexpected and very big is going on in America.
And yet, inexplicably, our alphabet soup of media is curiously silent about the phenomenon when not openly mocking it.

Why?
We hear of Mitt's flip-flops, Giuliani's mistress’s cab fare, Huckabee's likeability and Hillary’s plausible deniability but these campaigns are a yawn for the most part when there's not fresh dirt – there is little to nothing new being offered us and we Americans clearly want change! They report with enthusiasm every spat and squabble like they're looking for a rousing chant of "Jerry, Jerry..." but on a real and genuine movement expanding exponentially we hear only that a fringe element of the internet has made some noise. "Don't look over there" they tell us, "it's just some cyberpunks, skinheads and prostitutes." They’ve even made the complaint that too many of us are voting in their polls!

Why?
And then I watch the CNN debate - Tancredo and Hunter are still there and stranger still, they're getting more face time than Ron Paul despite Ron Paul polling 4th in New Hampshire, and nearing double-digits in Nevada and Iowa. It gets worse when CNN spits up their selected question to Ron Paul and from the 5,000 or so video questions submitted it's an odd question about conspiracies. We find out immediately after the debate that the man given a microphone and perhaps more airtime than Ron Paul at the debate is co-chairman of a Hillary Clinton steering committee.

Why?
I suspect that many are beginning to realize - if only at the periphery - that there is some injustice going on and they are not getting the whole story and that, somehow, they’re being manipulated rather than informed.
I believe very strongly that there are those who feel we’ll all be better off if they do the thinking for us.
I have no doubt that anyone reading this will disagree.
And so I issue a call to those who still do their own thinking: Join us and let liberty, peace and prosperity be the adjectives of our age and our legacy to those who will follow us.
We cannot long continue plodding along more or less unchanging – tweaking a few subtleties here and there - as we continue to count the casualties on both sides in the middle-east while making new enemies faster than we kill the old ones, push near $10,000,000,000,000 in national debt while the dollar collapses, legislate away our freedoms for, ostensibly, security, and watch the last American manufacturing job disappear over the horizon.

Who will answer the call?
Some might simply feel too old for revolution and so take comfort in its media dismissal. I say you’re never too old for a worthy and admirable revolution! I call to those who cling to status quo government as the panacea to an uncertain world – you don’t need more government, you need more freedom! I call especially to those who identified themselves with a party at some point and stopped caring really where that party is heading - what that party has become. If you view everyone opposed to your views as either a lefty loon or a neo-con, I’m talking to you. Join us – it’s better over here!
I believe we’re at a precipice in US history and as a nation and a people we need to take a collective intellectual walkabout and ask the questions: What would Washington, Jefferson, Madison, Franklin and Paine think of our republic in 2007? What would they say of our stewardship of The America Experiment? What is it we love most about America? What do we as Americans and even the rest of the world admire most about the idea of America?

And why are we not standing up for it?
Consider this: 70% of Americans are opposed to the war in Iraq and presidential and congressional approval ratings are at historic lows and yet media darlings - and so, it follows, front-runners - Giuliani, Romney and Hillary are for expanding our middle-east military blitz and are more or less status quo party insiders. It seems fair to say that the only changes we can expect from them are positions on issues in the run-up to the election. Romney goes as far as refusing to condemn torture carried out in the name of America!

“Domestic policy can only defeat us; foreign policy can kill us.” -John F. Kennedy

There’s a disconnect here and it's a serious one. On an issue as profound and important as war, many people seem to prefer comforting lip service, partisanship, or worse, escalation, to a peaceful revolution and change.
How can this be?

“If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.” -James Madison

If you’re for empire America and all the death, misery, isolationism and staggering resources that entails you’ll do fine with the candidates brought to you by CNN and Fox.
But, if you believe as our founding fathers – that playing favorites with nations and entangling alliances are the road to corruption and ruin, that “commerce with all nations, alliance with none, should be our motto” and that “that government is best who governs least” – there is only one candidate: Ron Paul.

Google George Washington’s Farewell Address of 1779 for a far more prosaic expression of this warning against favoring nations at the expense of others than I could ever hope to compose.
Carl Sagan once said that the people of the world want peace and someday governments are going to have to get out of their way and let them have it.
Sounds like something Ron Paul would say.

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Roland

Well good luck over there in America. We need some one like that in england we have got Nigel Farage of the 'united kingdom independants party' but we have all the same problems with bios media and miss information.

I also think although the human rights, liberty issues, and state control are now ******* most of us off, most feel we haven't quite got to the point of needing the same kind of political revolution it's unfortunate as i don't think most people are aware of how important protecting hard fought for liberties are. I also don't think people realize the dangers of the EU and what it is about.

david H

Hello Everyone,

First off, Iran has no weapons of Mass Destruction!!! WOW!! Ron Paul was right they aren't a threat, geeshhhh!!

But anyway, here is the article with Ron Paul from The View..He even talks about it on here.

There are 3 pages

ABC News: Ladies' Man: Ron Paul's 'View'

This message was sent by Terri (For Ron Paul 2008) (pixiestar71@yahoo.com) from The Knoxville Ron Paul 2008 Presidential Meetup Group.

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david H

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"You think you are combatting prejudice but you are at war with nature". Edmund Burke.

http://www.buchanan.org/pa-98-1127.html

david H

Just received -

Imagine.. the mainstream media is mesmerized as the image of the Ron Paul blimp is shown to tens of millions of Americans throughout the day (and throughout the month).
As GPS coordinates stream to the website a map shows the Ron Paul blimp's location in real time. The local television stations broadcast its every move. The curious flock together and make a trip to see history in the making. Emails with pictures are sent, then forwarded, then forwarded again. Youtube videos go viral and reach tens of millions of views. Ron Paul becomes the first presidential candidate in history to have his very own blimp. The PR stunt generates millions upon millions of dollars worth in free publicity, and captures the imagination of America.
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g hall

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