Who Controls Our Money Supply? Who Are the Money Masters?

John Welch · 08-09-2007, 12:20 AM

(quote).."defendant’s natural God-given unalienable or Constitutional rights,.."
You have attributed God as authoriser. Your constitutional monarchy has "Dieu et mon droits" in theodemocracy. This includes God as politician.
Do you have a reference , proving God was a party to Magna Carta, when you state that Church and Christianity diverged?

democracydefinedcampaign · 08-09-2007, 12:49 AM

John, re-read the post! and try to understand...

The part you quote: "defendant's natural God-given unalienable or Constitutional rights, etc." are not our words, but those of the U.S. Chief Justice Harlan F. Stone on the Juror's duties. So, you are not correct to say of us "You have attributed God as authoriser."

Joanna d'Oudney.

John Welch · 08-09-2007, 03:43 AM

You quoted it in red font and underlined some, as vital to your case. So you did as I noted, and the q. remains.

democracydefinedcampaign · 08-09-2007, 02:06 PM

The Democracy Defined Campaign Philosophy is endorsed by academics, attorneys, doctors (of jurisprudence, medicine, philosophy, etc.), and judges (U.S. & U.K.).

John Welch: "You quoted it in red font and underlined some, as vital to your case. So you did as I noted, and the q. remains."
~~~~~~~~~~~~

Reply: Emphases may draw quotations to the reader's attention, but the Chief Justice's words are not "vital" to any case. They are noteworthy and accord with the previous paragraph in that post explaining about --

"...the Sovereign Supreme Power of the Juror in Trial by Jury: to judge the justice of every act of law enforcement, and to render the Not Guilty Verdict whenever conviction or punishment of the accused would be unfair, according to the juror’s conscience."

Your second question is muddled. You confuse firstly, the issue raised by the video regarding the teachings of Jesus Christ (Christianity) and the separate subject of the institutionalisation of religion into orthodox Churches, Synagogues, etc., about which Jesus had the strongest misgivings; and secondly, the distinctly different topic of the Sixteenth Century schism between Protestant and Catholic Churches; and thirdly, the Sentence of Excommunication conferred for all time by the Archbishop of Canterbury, Boniface, of the Universal Catholic Church, on any who in the slightest way breach or undermine the Great Charter Constitution. (See the Essay on Magna Carta by author Kenn d'Oudney, freely downloadable from the URL given under our post #70.)

To the atheist, God does not exist and "authorises" nothing; to the theist God "authorises" and is "a party" to everything in one way or another. Nevertheless, such matters are irrelevant to the secular Supreme Law Magna Carta, the English (cf. British) Constitution; to the legal and moral reasons explaining the irrevocable installation of common law Trial by Jury for all causes, civil, criminal and fiscal; and to the Illegality of the Status Quo. (See previous post #70.)

The first of your footling questions as to whether the Democracy Defined Campaign Philosophy seeks to install a theocracy (!) was answered.

Have you not noticed how people on this forum have even given up ridiculing you ? They generally ignore you. If it is your purpose to subvert the forum by lowering the tone so that genuinely interesting people give up contributing, you are wasting your time and will not succeed. If, however, you are a true simpleton, then you have our sympathy and we'll just leave you to your rhetorical idiocy.

Joanna d'Oudney. Director.

John Welch · 08-09-2007, 10:40 PM

You affirm that the quote on "defendant's God-given right" is "noteworthy". Again I ask for a reference on God doing such.
Until the forum gave up on this topic, some members responded to my suggestion of a jury-verdict. Why do refuse to accept it, pontificator?

mkpdavies · 15-11-2007, 06:39 PM

Quote:

Liberty Dollar Company Announcement
Thursday, November 15, 2007
Dear Liberty Dollar Supporters:
I sincerely regret to inform you that about 8 this morning a dozen FBI and Secret Service agents raided the Liberty Dollar office in Evansville, Indiana.
For approximately six hours they took all the gold, all the silver, all the platinum, and almost two tons of Ron Paul Dollars that were just delivered last Friday. They also took all the files and computers and froze our bank accounts.
We have no money. We have no products. We have no records to even know what was ordered or what you are owed. We have nothing but the will to push forward and overcome this massive assault on our liberty and our right to have real money as defined by the U.S. Constitution.
We should not be defrauded by the fake government money.
But to make matters worse, all the gold and silver that backs up the paper certificates and digital currency held in the vault at Sunshine Mint has also been confiscated. Even the dies for minting the gold and silver Libertys have been taken.
All this has happened even though Edmond C. Moy, the director of the U.S. Mint, acknowledged in a letter to a U.S. senator that the paper certificates did not violate Section 486 and were not illegal.
But the FBI and Secret Service took all the paper currency too.
The possibility of such action was the reason the Liberty Dollar was designed -- so that the vast majority of the money was in specie form and in the people's hands. Of the $20 million Liberty Dollars, only about a million is in paper or digital form.
I regret that if you are due an order, it may be some time until it will be filled, if ever. It now all depends on our actions.
Everyone who has an unfulfilled order or has digital or paper currency should band together for a class-action suit and demand redemption. We cannot allow the government to steal our money.
Please don't let this happen.
Many of you read the articles quoting the government and Federal Reserve officials saying the Liberty Dollar was legal. You did nothing wrong. You are legally entitled to your property. Let us use this terrible act to band together and further our goal -- to return America to a value-based currency.
Please forward this important alert so everyone who possesses or uses the Liberty Dollar is aware of the situation.
Please go here to sign up for the class action lawsuit and get your property back:
http://www.libertydollar.org/classaction/index.php
Thanks again for your support at this darkest time as the damn government and its dollar sinks to a new low.
Bernard von NotHaus, Monetary Architect
Liberty Dollar
Evansville, Indiana

Wonder what they are going to do them for?

Little Englander (sour) · 15-11-2007, 10:16 PM

This at a time when Gordon refuses (because of commercial security) to disclose how much the Bank of England bunged to Northern Rock - I've heard the figure £26bn mentioned, it may be much more than this and there's no guarantee of getting it back. Does anyone think that this money is being ... nah! they wouldn't do that, would they?

08-09-2007, 12:49 AM	#72 (permalink)
democracydefinedcampaign Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: London/ France. Posts: 53	John, re-read the post! and try to understand... The part you quote: "defendant's natural God-given unalienable or Constitutional rights, etc." are not our words, but those of the U.S. Chief Justice Harlan F. Stone on the Juror's duties. So, you are not correct to say of us "You have attributed God as authoriser." Joanna d'Oudney. __________________ The Home Page of The not-for-profit Educational Campaign for RESTORATION and UNIVERSAL ADOPTION of CONSTITUTIONAL COMMON LAW TRIAL BY JURY. http://www.democracydefined.org/ The Democracy Defined Campaign Philosophy is endorsed by academics, attorneys, doctors (of jurisprudence, medicine, philosophy, etc.) and judges (U.S. & U.K.). Last edited by democracydefinedcampaign; 08-09-2007 at 12:52 AM.

08-09-2007, 02:06 PM	#74 (permalink)
democracydefinedcampaign Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: London/ France. Posts: 53	The Democracy Defined Campaign Philosophy is endorsed by academics, attorneys, doctors (of jurisprudence, medicine, philosophy, etc.), and judges (U.S. & U.K.). John Welch: "You quoted it in red font and underlined some, as vital to your case. So you did as I noted, and the q. remains." ~~~~~~~~~~~~ Reply: Emphases may draw quotations to the reader's attention, but the Chief Justice's words are not "vital" to any case. They are noteworthy and accord with the previous paragraph in that post explaining about -- "...the Sovereign Supreme Power of the Juror in Trial by Jury: *to judge the justice of every act of law enforcement, and to render the Not Guilty Verdict whenever conviction or punishment of the accused would be unfair, according to the juror’s conscience." Your second question is muddled. You confuse firstly, the issue raised by the video regarding the teachings of Jesus Christ (Christianity) and the separate subject of the institutionalisation of religion* into orthodox Churches, Synagogues, etc., about which Jesus had the strongest misgivings; and secondly, the distinctly different topic of the Sixteenth Century schism between Protestant and Catholic Churches; and thirdly, the Sentence of Excommunication conferred for all time by the Archbishop of Canterbury, Boniface, of the Universal Catholic Church, on any who in the slightest way breach or undermine the Great Charter Constitution. (See the Essay on Magna Carta by author Kenn d'Oudney, freely downloadable from the URL given under our post #70.) To the atheist, God does not exist and "authorises" nothing; to the theist God "authorises" and is "a party" to everything in one way or another. Nevertheless, such matters are irrelevant to the secular Supreme Law Magna Carta, the English (cf. British) Constitution; to the legal and moral reasons explaining the irrevocable installation of common law Trial by Jury for all causes, civil, criminal and fiscal; and to the Illegality of the Status Quo. (See previous post #70.) The first of your footling questions as to whether the Democracy Defined Campaign Philosophy seeks to install a theocracy (!) was answered. Have you not noticed how people on this forum have even given up ridiculing you ? They generally ignore you. If it is your purpose to subvert the forum by lowering the tone so that genuinely interesting people give up contributing, you are wasting your time and will not succeed. If, however, you are a true simpleton, then you have our sympathy and we'll just leave you to your rhetorical idiocy. Joanna d'Oudney. Director. __________________ The Home Page of The not-for-profit Educational Campaign for RESTORATION and UNIVERSAL ADOPTION of CONSTITUTIONAL COMMON LAW TRIAL BY JURY. http://www.democracydefined.org/ The Democracy Defined Campaign Philosophy is endorsed by academics, attorneys, doctors (of jurisprudence, medicine, philosophy, etc.) and judges (U.S. & U.K.).

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08-09-2007, 12:20 AM	#71 (permalink)
John Welch Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 180	(quote).."defendant’s natural God-given unalienable or Constitutional rights,.." You have attributed God as authoriser. Your constitutional monarchy has "Dieu et mon droits" in theodemocracy. This includes God as politician. Do you have a reference , proving God was a party to Magna Carta, when you state that Church and Christianity diverged?

08-09-2007, 03:43 AM	#73 (permalink)
John Welch Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 180	You quoted it in red font and underlined some, as vital to your case. So you did as I noted, and the q. remains.

08-09-2007, 10:40 PM	#75 (permalink)
John Welch Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 180	You affirm that the quote on "defendant's God-given right" is "noteworthy". Again I ask for a reference on God doing such. Until the forum gave up on this topic, some members responded to my suggestion of a jury-verdict. Why do refuse to accept it, pontificator?

15-11-2007, 10:16 PM	#77 (permalink)
Little Englander (sour) Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Portsmouth Posts: 949 Party: English Democrats	This at a time when Gordon refuses (because of commercial security) to disclose how much the Bank of England bunged to Northern Rock - I've heard the figure £26bn mentioned, it may be much more than this and there's no guarantee of getting it back. Does anyone think that this money is being ... nah! they wouldn't do that, would they?