Hillary Clinton joins 2008 race

nickers · 21-01-2007, 11:31 AM

Just to add a general note though, there is one very alarming item to do with US elections that no one seems to touch upon in any great detail, and that is the electronic voting in the US.
There have been several "top level" investigations into vote rigging in the US with the electronic voting machines. The most alarming finding by these enquiries is that many prominent political figures in the US Government own huge stakes in the companies that provied the hardware and/or software for said machines. Further to this, there is no independent audit trail to follow in case a machine is found to be faulty (which, curiously, they never are - although they are computers and we all know how tempremental computers can be at the best of times). Whenever then general public demands an investigation the "powers that be" are very slow to act, or generally remain ignorant of these demands.

I have a strong feeling that Hilary will win though, and not through the implication outlined above, because I'm aware that she is a very acomplished politician, and has a lot of high profile backing.

arden forester · 21-01-2007, 04:31 PM

Runners and riders here!
http://www.politics1.com/p2008.htm

Britannist · 21-01-2007, 06:45 PM

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I have a strong feeling that Hilary will win though, and not through the implication outlined above, because I'm aware that she is a very acomplished politician, and has a lot of high profile backing.

She is not popular in large parts of the USA.

She backed the Iraq 'war' no matter how she tries to explain it away now.

She has views which (quite understandably) the growing number of Roman Catholic voters in the USA don't like.

She will be labelled a liberal - and liberal is a 'dirty word' in America (as it should be here).

Britannist · 21-01-2007, 06:49 PM

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I can't understand why the Bush administration didn't make it possible for Arnie to stand in 2008 (i.e. by a law change allowing those born outside the USA such as Arnie to contest a Presidential election).

The reason that the law hasn't been changed is quite simple. Arnie has been heavily involved with alsorts of scandals and political nightmares that would seriously damage the credibility of a US Government. [/i]

A very interesting posting from you, Nickers, on the subject of Mr. Arnold Schwarzenegger. Thank you for going to the trouble of writing up that long and detailed reply. I am very grateful.

One disadvantage Mr. Arnold Schwarzenegger would have if he were to be a Presidential candidate is that he has 'liberal' views on abortion (i.e. he is not really anti-abortion) and this fact does not please many Republicans (both members and voters) who are rightly opposed to ending the lives of the defenceless unborn.

arden forester · 22-01-2007, 10:21 AM

This is an interesting article on "natural born citizens"! This is another euphemism of the English language taking Lewis Carroll's Humpty Dumpty language to its full extent.

Natural? To American citizens only within the USA. Or outside? What of John McEnroe, born in Germany. Born naturally in Germany? It is ambiguous at the edges.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural-born_citizen

paullotion · 24-01-2007, 01:21 AM

Says it all.

Britannist · 24-01-2007, 01:45 AM

Very funny :twisted: - and clever 8) .

And true.

Hereward77 · 24-01-2007, 01:48 AM

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Despite the desperate pleas of 'Bill' Clinton for people to vote for Kerry - President George W. Bush got back in on the biggest vote for any American Presidential candidate ever 8)

(in terms of actual votes in the ballot box).

The Bush administration supports the globalist CFR-inspired North American Union (most members of the Bush administration are also in the CFR) and has done as much damage to America as Gore or Kerry would have done.

Britannist · 24-01-2007, 02:07 AM

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The Bush administration supports the globalist CFR-inspired North American Union (most members of the Bush administration are also in the CFR) and has done as much damage to America as Gore or Kerry would have done.

It would have been a disaster for the USA if Kerry or Gore had won.

Strongly Christian and church-going America backed George W. Bush and he got a larger share of the Roman Catholic vote than any Republican candidate before him.

The Democrats are the party of the leftist metropolitan 'elite' who were furious that their huge urban strongholds could not secure the Presidency and that the Republican George W. Bush - backed by small town and rural America - pulled it off twice in Presidential elections without even needing the support of one of the three biggest cities.

The fashion at the moment may be to be nasty about George W. Bush. But I don't follow fashions - especially ones instigated by leftists.

Hereward77 · 24-01-2007, 05:20 PM

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It would have been a disaster for the USA if Kerry or Gore had won.

The Bush administration is a complete disaster for America too. Just look at Iraq and years of unbridled illegal immigration from Mexico.

The Democratic and Republican parties are controlled by members of the the globalist Trilateral Commission and the Council on Foreign Relations. These organisations promote European integration and the coming North American Union.

America's Christian patriots are being duped. The only decent prominent Republican is Congressman Ron Paul... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Paul

22-01-2007, 10:21 AM	#15 (permalink)
arden forester Uber Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Solihull, in The Forest of Arden, Warwickshire! Posts: 2,680 Party: None	This is an interesting article on "natural born citizens"! This is another euphemism of the English language taking Lewis Carroll's Humpty Dumpty language to its full extent. Natural? To American citizens only within the USA. Or outside? What of John McEnroe, born in Germany. Born naturally in Germany? It is ambiguous at the edges. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural-born_citizen __________________ www.ardenforester.blogspot.com www.westminster-whispers.blogspot.com

24-01-2007, 01:45 AM	#17 (permalink)
Britannist Uber Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: London Posts: 22,896	Good Clinton picture Very funny :twisted: - and clever 8) . And true.

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21-01-2007, 11:31 AM	#11 (permalink)
nickers Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland Posts: 13	Just to add a general note though, there is one very alarming item to do with US elections that no one seems to touch upon in any great detail, and that is the electronic voting in the US. There have been several "top level" investigations into vote rigging in the US with the electronic voting machines. The most alarming finding by these enquiries is that many prominent political figures in the US Government own huge stakes in the companies that provied the hardware and/or software for said machines. Further to this, there is no independent audit trail to follow in case a machine is found to be faulty (which, curiously, they never are - although they are computers and we all know how tempremental computers can be at the best of times). Whenever then general public demands an investigation the "powers that be" are very slow to act, or generally remain ignorant of these demands. I have a strong feeling that Hilary will win though, and not through the implication outlined above, because I'm aware that she is a very acomplished politician, and has a lot of high profile backing.

21-01-2007, 04:31 PM	#12 (permalink)
arden forester Uber Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Solihull, in The Forest of Arden, Warwickshire! Posts: 2,680 Party: None	Runners and riders here! http://www.politics1.com/p2008.htm

24-01-2007, 01:21 AM	#16 (permalink)
paullotion Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 340	Says it all.