mkpdavies

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/mid...st/6189793.stm

More likey discarded for something else, now that people know about it.

Wolves in sheeps clothing. Globalists who believe in have one society, controlled by them.

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Hereward77

The Neoconservatives are a neo-Trotskyist faction of the Democratic Party. The Neocons wish to create perpetual global conflict between Christianity and Islam to acheive the New World Order (Trotsky's "Permanent World Revolution").

conan

1. Neocons are "liberals who have been mugged by reality". - ie Lefties who have moved to the Right. The way they underestimated the difficulties of establishing a democracy in Iraq indicates they are not realist enough.
2. The gloabl conflict between islam and everyone else (See Thailand, for example) is a product of islamic aggression.

Hereward77

The Neocons have no interest in protecting America or democracy, they are only interested in turning the rest of the world against America. All the prominent Neocons are members of globalist organisations such as the Trilateral Commission, Bilderberg Group and Council on Foreign Relations (CFR). All these organisations are committed to the EU tyranny and the future tyranny of world government. Irving Kristol, the founder of neoconservatism and a life member of the CFR, stated in 1983 that he was "proud" to have been a member of Trotsky's Fourth International. Richard Perle and Paul Wolfowitz are still members of the socialist Democratic Party.

Political Islam is only a recent phenomenon, it hardly existed before the 1970s, and is an artificial creation that has its roots in revolutionary Marxism also. As Alexander Litvinenko revealed, Al Qaeda and other Islamic terrorist groups are controlled by powerful intelligence agencies.

conan

The Bilderberg group is not an organization, just a forum for discussion. Since the term "neo-conservative" by definition means a conservative, we must either conclude that Kristol and his friends are not neocons, or they are no longer Trotskyites.

Political islam dates back to the time when Mohammed became the leader of a bedouin tribe in Medina and proceeded to lead them in 60-70 raids, battles and sieges. There is evidence that the early caliphs deliberately developed islam as a tool of arab imperialism. Muslim theology divides the world into the House of islam and the House of war; it says muslims have a religious duty to engage in holy war against the unbelievers to bring the whole world under muslim rule. The rapid conquest of the Middle east and North Africa by muslim armies was political islam in action.

Hereward77

The secretive groups and organisations I have mentioned are committed to destruction of national freedom and the creation of a global government. Several eurosceptic Conservative MPs over the years, including Christopher Gill (now Chairman of the Freedom Association) and Sir Nicholas Winterton, have lobbied for openness regarding the subjects discussed at the annual Bilderberg meetings, without much success. I suggest you read the ideas of leading globalist ideologues like Dr. Zbigniew Brzezinski, the founder with David Rockefeller of the Trilateral Commission (who's members include Bush Snr., Dick Cheney, Bill Clinton and Paul Wolfowitz), who openly argue for a global single currency and communist participation in policy decision making within a world governmental structure. Anyone associated with such ideas is not to be trusted, and we Eurosceptics should regard such people as our ideological enemies.

I know very well that Islam derives from an Arab pagan moon cult and is not an Abrahamic religion. However before the 1970s, Arab nations were largely secular societies who tolerated Christians and, before 1948, Jews living in their lands. As Litvinenko and others have explained, agencies such as the KGB have promoted Islamic terrorism in order to weaken the West and Israel. In 1998, al-Qaeda's chief ideologist Dr. Ayman al-Zawahiri received terrorism training for six months at an FSB training camp in southern Russia. Al-Zawahiri also visited Russia in 1996, under the guise of being "arrested" by Russian authorities. And of course, we all know Russia's role for nearly two decades in the armament and nuclearisation of Islamic fundamentalist Iran.

conan

Muslim societies tolerated unbelievers as second class citizens, who had no legal protection under islamic law and who paid a tax (jizya) that muslims did not pay. The Ottoman empire relied heavily on a body of soldiers known as Janissaries. They were Christian boys conscripted at the age of 12, forcibly converted to islam and trained as soldiers. While I am reading the works of Zbigniew Brzezinski, please read up on Jihad and Dhimmitude

Hereward77

I am well aware of the Ottomans' brutality, they treated their fellow Muslims, the Arabs, like second-class citizens also. The revolutionary form of Islamism that we see today only first appeared in the 1970's and is derived from Marxist ideology. I am far from an appeaser, I am merely explaining the ideological roots of modern terrorism.

Stefcho

This is only half the truth.

Terrorism started with the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, but Islam itself is an expansionist doctrine that has always relied on war. The Prophet Muhammad fought wars to overcome his enemies and spread Islam. The Qur'an has explicit instructions to defeat non-believers until "all religion is for Allah alone". The Qur'an is a major part of why Islam was spread by the sword during and since Muhammads death.

• Qur'an 9:29 "Fight those of the People of the Book (Christians and Jews) who do not truly believe in God and the Last Day, who do not forbid what God and His Messenger have forbidden, who do not obey the rule of justice until they pay the tax (Jizya) and agree to submit” (as ‘dhimmi’ - subjugated peoples - under Islam).

The Qur'an advocates that ALL Muslims must engage in jihad (struggle) to spread or protect Islam. For some this is armed jihad (terrorism), for others it is fighting for Islamic laws or undermining non-Muslim government or even just protesting. We can see all of these happening today, but they have been happening in other regions of the world since Islam started.

Islam rejects all other religions as heretical (contrary to the will of Allah). For Muslims, democracy, other religions and free will are acts of defiance to Allah (a claim to infallibility) and must be overcome.

• Qur'an 9:38 "It is He (Allah) who has sent His Messenger with guidance and the religion of truth, to show that it is above all other religions, however much the idolaters may hate this."

Terrorism is only part of the problem. It is the duty of all Muslims to spread Islam at the expense of any other form of religion or government.

Details of all of this are available at:

www.thereligionofpeace.com (see menu) or
www.faithfreedom.org (see prologue).

Terrorism and war is "popular" because those who die fighting for Allah are guaranteed salvation by the Prophet Muhammad:

• Qur'an 9:111 "God has purchased the persons and possessions of the believers in return for the Garden (Heaven) - they fight in God's way (jihad fi sabil Allah - armed jihad): they kill and are killed - this is the true promise given by Him in the Torah, the Gospel, and the Qur'an."

Hope this is helpful.

-Stefcho