Are Bush and Blair liars?

mkpdavies · 30-11-2006, 04:23 PM

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8248969

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Do you believe President Bush misled the nation in order to go to war with Iraq? * 97252 responses

Yes
94%

No
5.6%

I bet that poll won't be on the front of the newspapers.

John Carter · 30-11-2006, 08:46 PM

I don't believe Bushy lied. I believe he acted in good faith on bad information fed to him by a corrupt government who are liars - ours.

kernow · 02-12-2006, 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by John Carter

I don't believe Bushy lied. I believe he acted in good faith on bad information fed to him by a corrupt government who are liars - ours.

Nobody on this forum is more pro America than me, but even I don't think the Americans went to war on our say so!

John Carter · 02-12-2006, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by kernow

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Originally Posted by John Carter

I don't believe Bushy lied. I believe he acted in good faith on bad information fed to him by a corrupt government who are liars - ours.

Nobody on this forum is more pro America than me, but even I don't think the Americans went to war on our say so!

I'm pretty sure the WMD thing came from our intelligence services.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/3890961.stm

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Key intelligence used to justify war with Iraq has now been shown to be unreliable, the Butler Report says.
The 196 page report says MI6 did not check its sources well enough, and sometimes relied on third hand reports.

And here's the official version:

http://www.archive2.official-documen...raq/chap01.htm

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Since UN inspectors were withdrawn from Iraq in 1998, there has been little overt information on Iraq's chemical, biological, nuclear and ballistic missile programmes. Much of the publicly available information about Iraqi capabilities and intentions is dated. But we also have available a range of secret intelligence about these programmes and Saddam Hussein's intentions. This comes principally from the United Kingdom's intelligence and analysis agencies – the Secret Intelligence Service (SIS), the Government Communications Headquarters (GCHQ), the Security Service, and the Defence Intelligence Staff (DIS).

mkpdavies · 02-12-2006, 03:06 PM

Come on, PNAC told us all the reasons why the USA went to war and even why useful UK was enlisted too.

The whole WMD thing was a sham from the start. They even have film of Rice and Powell stating Iraq had no WMD capability or that they were even close to having it.

Then, along comes 9/11 and suddenly politicians all over the world have their excuse to do whatever they want, in the name of protecting the sheeple.

arden forester · 05-12-2006, 11:45 AM

I would just love to see an independent Iraqi government, once the Americans have gone, try to sell their oil in euros. They will be slapped down.

The US are always going to be running Iraq and having fingers in other oil rich countries. Democracy? It is all window dressing for ulterior motives.

Anybody know how Haliburton stock is doing?

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mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 30,841 Party: Libertarian Party	Come on, PNAC told us all the reasons why the USA went to war and even why useful UK was enlisted too. The whole WMD thing was a sham from the start. They even have film of Rice and Powell stating Iraq had no WMD capability or that they were even close to having it. Then, along comes 9/11 and suddenly politicians all over the world have their excuse to do whatever they want, in the name of protecting the sheeple. __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

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arden forester Uber Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Solihull, in The Forest of Arden, Warwickshire! Posts: 2,662 Party: None	I would just love to see an independent Iraqi government, once the Americans have gone, try to sell their oil in euros. They will be slapped down. The US are always going to be running Iraq and having fingers in other oil rich countries. Democracy? It is all window dressing for ulterior motives. Anybody know how Haliburton stock is doing? __________________ www.ardenforester.blogspot.com www.westminster-whispers.blogspot.com

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30-11-2006, 08:46 PM	#2 (permalink)
John Carter Uber Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: On Sabbatical Posts: 5,110	I don't believe Bushy lied. I believe he acted in good faith on bad information fed to him by a corrupt government who are liars - ours.