Bush Calls Terror Fight "World War III"

ukpatriot · 09-07-2006, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by blondy

The only thing different is that instead of you and your mates going on and on about how terrible the US is and how bad we are messing up whatever it is you'd have the readers believe we're messing up, we are now being fair and talking about Islam.

After all, it's not just a religion, it's a political and governmental system, too!

And you use the word Zionist as if it was an epithet!

When we speak of freedom for Brits it is the same way we'd speak of freedom for our distant cousins. We are family. And if you oppose Britain's remaining a free people and government and society then you aren't a member of the family. You aren't even a parasite.

You are a wolf in sheep's clothing.

If my British kin-folk can't or won't say so, then it is up to those of us who still may speak freely, to call you on your seemingly unstoppable roll across Europe.

It seems so bad in England that you can't even speak the truth about what is happening to you, there.

It's like you are drowning but you aren't allowed to disturb the water as you go down for the count!

The plans you may have to conquer the world will be stopped and you had better get used to it.

And I'm a pacifist compared to my friends!

And the portion of your comments that are highlighted in bold, would you please substantiate your claims with links?

Thanks.

You're not 'talking' about Islam, you're condemning it on all fronts with some highly specious propaganda. 'Jihadwatch' indeed!

Islam is no more political and governmental than christianity. Islam also proclaims itself to be peaceful, and the hospitality of Muslims in the Arab countries is legendary. Even to Americans.

Freedom for Brits means nothing to you Yanks. Never has and never will. You still celebrate July 4 each year, the time you threw us out of the USA. So don't talk to me about 'friendship'. It'd balls. You lot enriched yourselves out of us in WW2, you have virtually colonised us with your films, junk food and mangled English. You lot are bumptious, rude, ignorant, arrogant and pushy. I know. I've dealt with Yanks before.

You destroyed the British Empire after 1945, to build your own spheres of influence. You lot threatened to bankrupt Britain in 1956 to force us to pull out of Suez. You are NO friend of the British. None at all, so don't give us all this ********.

I want Britain to be a free society. Free of you lot and your US trash. And no, I don't ewant it to be ruled by sharia law, Torah or anything else except the ancient cultural mores which have developed in tandem with those of our Continental friends and neighbours over a thousand years.

I speak freely; you don't. You are indoctrinated by US media Zionist rubbish and pro-Bush tat. We in Britain aren't.

and don't talk to me abouit plans to dominate the world. Who the **** do you think you are, or I am for that? I'm not Muslim, or American, or Jewish, or Arab. I'm British, European and proud of it. Over here we believe that Palestinians have rights which are being denied to them by the USA and the pariah state Israel. And we're allowed to say so without fear of being arrested, of having the local fundamentalist Christian nutjob lobby picketing our homes.

You want to wise up a bit before coming on to a BRITISH site and spouting your Americo-Zionist filth.

Mikeuk · 09-07-2006, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by ukpatriot

You lot are bumptious, rude, ignorant, arrogant and pushy. I know. I've dealt with Yanks before.

Actually I know many Americans who are very polite and charming with GSOH.

They are usually Democrats and they don't like Bush and his neocon warmonger maniacs.

It's true I used to encounter a rather obnoxious, pushy, Yank IBMer in my local when I lived in Portsmouth. He was usually drunk.

Guess what? He was a registered Republikan.

Mikeuk · 09-07-2006, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by ukpatriot

Freedom for Brits means nothing to you Yanks. Never has and never will. You still celebrate July 4 each year, the time you threw us out of the USA.

They also terrorised decent American loyalists - among them my paternal grandmother's forbears - out of their own homes, depriving them of their property and their livelihoods.

Despite their drivel about 'all men born equal' they then proceeded to oppress the Negroes and Native Americans as never before.

A nation of hypocrites unequalled in the history of the human race.

ukpatriot · 09-07-2006, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Mikeuk

Actually I know many Americans who are very polite and charming with GSOH.

They are usually Democrats and they don't like Bush and his neocon warmonger maniacs.

It's true I used to encounter a rather obnoxious, pushy, Yank IBMer in my local when I lived in Portsmouth. He was usually drunk.

Guess what? He was a registered Republikan.

Yeah I have met some Yanks who are OK, also Democrats, and they've got no time for Bush and his gang. They're embarrassed that their fellow Americans elected the creep twice.

They've nothing in common with people like Blondy who just want to stir up trouble for Ayrabs while they are sitting safe at home in the good ol' US of A.

Mikeuk · 09-07-2006, 06:36 PM

Most Americans never leave the States; don't have passports.

In an 'English Pub' in NYC, a regular asked me if the pubs in England were just like it. (The 'North Star'). He said how much he liked it.

I said 'It's a good imitation'. Come to England. We've got thousands like it.'

'Oh no I could never go to a place like that.'

'Why not? I came to New York, didn't I?'

He shook his head.

'There's only two places worth being in. Manhattan and Jersey City' (his home - the far side of the Holland Tunnel)

A few days later I drove through Jersey City, apparently America's answer to Paris and Rome...

...very rapidly :twisted:

blondy · 10-07-2006, 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by ukpatriot

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Originally Posted by blondy

The only thing different is that instead of you and your mates going on and on about how terrible the US is and how bad we are messing up whatever it is you'd have the readers believe we're messing up, we are now being fair and talking about Islam.

After all, it's not just a religion, it's a political and governmental system, too!

And you use the word Zionist as if it was an epithet!

When we speak of freedom for Brits it is the same way we'd speak of freedom for our distant cousins. We are family. And if you oppose Britain's remaining a free people and government and society then you aren't a member of the family. You aren't even a parasite.

You are a wolf in sheep's clothing.

If my British kin-folk can't or won't say so, then it is up to those of us who still may speak freely, to call you on your seemingly unstoppable roll across Europe.

It seems so bad in England that you can't even speak the truth about what is happening to you, there.

It's like you are drowning but you aren't allowed to disturb the water as you go down for the count!

The plans you may have to conquer the world will be stopped and you had better get used to it.

And I'm a pacifist compared to my friends!

And the portion of your comments that are highlighted in bold, would you please substantiate your claims with links?

Thanks.

You're not 'talking' about Islam, you're condemning it on all fronts with some highly specious propaganda. 'Jihadwatch' indeed!

Islam is no more political and governmental than christianity. Islam also proclaims itself to be peaceful, and the hospitality of Muslims in the Arab countries is legendary. Even to Americans.

Freedom for Brits means nothing to you Yanks. Never has and never will. You still celebrate July 4 each year, the time you threw us out of the USA. So don't talk to me about 'friendship'. It'd balls. You lot enriched yourselves out of us in WW2, you have virtually colonised us with your films, junk food and mangled English. You lot are bumptious, rude, ignorant, arrogant and pushy. I know. I've dealt with Yanks before.

You destroyed the British Empire after 1945, to build your own spheres of influence. You lot threatened to bankrupt Britain in 1956 to force us to pull out of Suez. You are NO friend of the British. None at all, so don't give us all this b******t.

I want Britain to be a free society. Free of you lot and your US trash. And no, I don't ewant it to be ruled by sharia law, Torah or anything else except the ancient cultural mores which have developed in tandem with those of our Continental friends and neighbours over a thousand years.

I speak freely; you don't. You are indoctrinated by US media Zionist rubbish and pro-Bush tat. We in Britain aren't.

and don't talk to me abouit plans to dominate the world. Who the f*** do you think you are, or I am for that? I'm not Muslim, or American, or Jewish, or Arab. I'm British, European and proud of it. Over here we believe that Palestinians have rights which are being denied to them by the USA and the pariah state Israel. And we're allowed to say so without fear of being arrested, of having the local fundamentalist Christian nutjob lobby picketing our homes.

You want to wise up a bit before coming on to a BRITISH site and spouting your Americo-Zionist filth.

Ughpatriot, I don't need to condemn Islam. All I need do is just expose it and any intelligent, fair-minded, real UK Patriot, like yourself, can easily see the truth. (And if you disapprove of Jihadwatch.com maybe you think Jiahadignore.com would be the better site to study?)

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DOES ISLAM PROMOTE PEACE? If so, what kind of peace? Recently, a Muslim young man gave me a pamphlet entitled "Islam Explained" (by the Islamic Circle of North America). It states that Islam "instructs people on how they may live together in peace and harmony regardless of race, class or beliefs." While I would agree that most Muslims are in favor of "peace and harmony regardless of race, class or beliefs", the question we want to answer is: Are Muslims for peace because of Islam or in spite of Islam? Does Islam itself promote peace and tolerance? Consider the following data ...
http://answering-islam.org.uk/Author...promoting.html

Islam: More than a Religion

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Over the past twenty years, my wife and I have lived overseas in a majority-Muslim nation. We have hundreds of dear friends who are Muslims. In the country where we work, "peace" in relationships is esteemed more than truth itself. A local proverb says, "A lie that heals is better than the truth that hurts." Personally, I’d rather hear "the truth that hurts" than a lie which superficially and temporarily "heals."

What many Muslims and non-Muslims alike fail to realize is that Islam is not a religion in the same way "religion" is understood in the West. Philip Hitti, the late Lebanese-American scholar who taught at Princeton University for nearly fifty years, was a leading expert on the history of Arabs and Islam. One of his books has three parts: Islam as Religion, Islam as State, and Islam as Culture. Whether Muslims are aware of it or not, orthodox Islam is a threefold system—a religious-political-cultural ideology—with the goal to subjugate the world to itself.

http://answering-islam.org.uk/Author...nreligion.html

But are people free to criticize Islam or Muslims? Or is that considered 'hate speech' and verboten?

For example, could a Brit get away with saying the following?

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Did Zionists displace the Arabs of Palestine?

Beginning in 1920, anti-Zionist propaganda insisted that Zionists were going to dispossess and expel the Arabs of Palestine. In 1922, at the beginning of the British Mandate, there were about 660,000 Arabs in Palestine, while at the end of the British mandate there were about 1.3 Million Arabs. About 735,000 lived in the areas that would become Israel after the War of Independence. There were more Arabs in Palestine than had ever lived there before in all of recorded history, and their standard of living, which had been considerably below that of Arabs in neighboring countries, was well above it. The Arab claim of dispossession, repeated so often in Mandatory Palestine, was an invention. See Zionism and its Impact

Do Israeli Arabs live under an Apartheid Regime?

Anti-Zionists charge that the Arabs of Israel live under an "Apartheid" regime similar to that practiced in South Africa. South African Apartheid was practiced against native Africans who wanted an equal say in South African affairs. Regulations prevented marriage between races, enforced unequal pay and discriminatory employment and denied Black Africans equal representation in the government. Israeli treatment of Arab minorities is not perfect, but it is improving. It is not "Apartheid." Israeli Arab citizens vote and participate in the government along with Jewish citizens, can own and buy land, and are legally protected against discrimination in government services and the work place. They enjoy a far higher standard of living and better health care and educational opportunities than their neighbors in Egypt, Syria, Jordan and Lebanon. Arabs can serve in the Israeli army and many do, especially Bedouin and Druze.
http://www.zionism-israel.com/zionism_issues.htm

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Mikeuk · 10-07-2006, 12:13 AM

Blondy, do you have any 'vested interest' reasons for your 'someone else's country right or wrong' defence of Israel?

blondy · 10-07-2006, 12:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Mikeuk

Quote:

Originally Posted by ukpatriot

You lot are bumptious, rude, ignorant, arrogant and pushy. I know. I've dealt with Yanks before.

Actually I know many Americans who are very polite and charming with GSOH.

They are usually Democrats and they don't like Bush and his neocon warmonger maniacs.

It's true I used to encounter a rather obnoxious, pushy, Yank IBMer in my local when I lived in Portsmouth. He was usually drunk.

Guess what? He was a registered Republikan.

I'm sorry to have to inform you that without the threat of war there can be no way of stopping those who would not negotiate, such as Hamas...

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http://www.conceptwizard.com/terror/a1.html

The Covenant of Hamas 18 August 1988

Ideology

Hamas was the Gaza Strip branch of the Pan-Arab (Sunni) Islamist Muslim Brotherhood movement that was founded in Egypt. Hamas is ideologically opposed to the existence of Israel and has denounced the 1993 Oslo Accords as a "betrayer of God's will."

Hamas regards the territory of Israel as an inalienable Islamic waqf or religious bequest, which can never be surrendered to non-Muslims. It asserts that the struggle (jihad) to wrest control of the land from Israel is the religious duty of every Muslim (fard 'ain).

Hamas does not recognize Israel as a sovereign state and refers to it as the "Zionist entity," a hostile term commonly used in Arab political rhetoric and calls for Israel's destruction.

Hamas is best known throughout the world for carrying out suicide bombings and other attacks, mainly against Israeli civilians. It is listed as a terrorist organization by Australia, Canada, the European Union, Israel and the United States.

Hamas has created an extensive network of social welfare programs throughout the West Bank and Gaza, which partially explains its popularity among the Palestinian Arab population.

HAMAS MAIN GOAL IS THE DESTRUCTION OF ISRAEL AND THE CREATION OF AN ISLAMIC REPUBLIC IN ITS PLACE.

(FROM THE HAMAS COVENANT)

Article 6
"The Islamic Resistance Movement is a distinguished Palestinian movement whose allegiance is to Allah and whose way of life is Islam."

Article 31
It is possible for the followers of the three religions - Islam, Christianity and Judaism - to coexist in peace and quiet with each other UNDER THE WING OF ISLAM.

THE PEACE PROCESS

Preface:
Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it...

Article 13:
There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through JIHAD...
Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a WASTE OF TIME and vain endeavors.

OBJECTION TO ZIONISM OR THE OBJECTION TO THE EXISTENCE OF JEWS

Article 7:

"...the Islamic Resistance Movement aspires to the realization of Allah's promise, no matter how long that should take. The Prophet, Allah bless him and grant him salvation, has said:

The Day of Judgment will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him."

INCITEMENT AGAINST JEWS

Article Twenty Two:

With their money, they took control of the world media, news agencies, the press, publishing houses, broadcasting stations, and others.

With their money they stirred revolutions in various parts of the world with the purpose of achieving their interests and reaping the fruit therein.

They were behind the French Revolution, the Communist revolution and most of the revolutions we heard and hear about, here and there.

With their money they formed secret societies, such as Freemasons, Rotary Clubs, the Lions and others in different parts of the world for the purpose of sabotaging societies and achieving Zionist interests.

They were behind World War I, when they were able to destroy the Islamic Caliphate, making financial gains and controlling resources.

They obtained the Balfour Declaration, formed the League of Nations through which they could rule the world.

They were behind World War II, through which they made huge financial gains by trading in armaments, and paved the way for the establishment of their state.

It was they who instigated the replacement of the League of Nations with the United Nations and the Security Council to enable them to rule the world through them.

There is no war going on anywhere, without having their finger in it.

Article Twenty:

The society that confronts a vicious enemy which acts in a way similar to Nazism, making no differentiation between man and woman...

In their Nazi treatment, the Jews made no exception for women or children. Their policy of striking fear in the heart is meant for all. They attack people where their breadwinning is concerned, extorting their money and threatening their honour. They deal with people as if they were the worst war criminals.

THE LINK BETWEEN HAMAS AND WORLD JIHAD

Article Two:

The Islamic Resistance Movement is one of the wings of Moslem Brotherhood in Palestine. Moslem Brotherhood Movement is a universal organization which constitutes the largest Islamic movement in modern times.

Article Twenty Two:

The imperialistic forces in the Capitalist West and Communist East, support the enemy with all their might, in money and in men. These forces take turns in doing that. The day Islam appears, the forces of infidelity would unite to challenge it, for the infidels are of one nation.

THE LINK BETWEEN HAMAS AND IRAN

On December 13, 1992, after the murder of an Israeli soldier, 400 Hamas activists were deported to Lebanon. During that time they established the connection with the Hezbollah (a terror organization founded by Iran) which led to full cooperation between the two terror organizations.

Chairman of the Hamas Ploitical Bureau, Khaled Mashal & Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah

These are the two players who will continue to exert their influence, from Syria and Lebanon, on Hamas' conduct in the Palestinian Authority.

...and those who have a greater imperative than playing nicely along your lines of acceptable behavior.

Also, a while ago you mentioned ethnic cleansing. Here is an example of what can really be called ethnic cleansing, and what shouldn't be.

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The delegitimization of the State of Israel is achieved by: Accusing Israel of GENOCIDE against the Palestinians Arabs.

The term GENOCIDE means: "The mass extermination of human beings of a particular race or nation."

Take a look at these figures, presented by the Palestinian Central Bureau of Statistics:

PALESTINIAN ARABS IN THE WEST BANK AND GAZA

1.1 MILLION in 1967

3.5 MILLION in 2002

Do these figures indicate a "mass extermination of human beings?"

A REAL EXAMPLE OF GENOCIDE IS SHOWN IN THESE FIGURES

Jews in the World

15 MILLION in 1939

9 MILLION in 1945

http://www.conceptwizard.com/pipeline_of_hatred.html

blondy · 10-07-2006, 01:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Mikeuk

Blondy, do you have any 'vested interest' reasons for your 'someone else's country right or wrong' defence of Israel?

What? Don't you think it is right and noble and Christ-like to stand up for those who deserve to be supported?

The Palestinians and Arabs and Muslims avail themselves (and quite successfully I might add) to non-Muslims, non-Palestinians, non-Arabs and those who haven't the inclination to look deeper for answers than the skillfully crafted PR being spun for their benefit by the Palestinians.

Why can't someone without a vested interest take an interest in this issue?

Think of Rick in, "Casablanca."

No. I have no other vested interest.

I think it is too easy to simply look at the conflict in the same way we'd view a feature film.

There MUST be a heroic underdog/victim to cheer. And there MUST be a big bad villain to loathe.

And for whatever reason the Palestinians seized upon this opportunity, starting in the late 1940's, to paint themselves in the role of victim and the Israelis in the role of villain.

And so today the world, to a great degree, believes this CONVENTIONAL view.

But (and I have seen it happen dozens of times) when rabid anti-Zionists have a chance to look at the facts of the matter, they change sides.

When Israeli supporters look at all the facts they don't switch sides. But they do shake their heads at the lengths the Palestinians go to in order to follow the Koran.

If it were a matter of simply wanting to create their own nation apart and equal to Israel, they could have done so loooooong ago.

They remain steadfast because they are commanded to by their religion.

And THAT is what's at stake here. Just another example of the Islamic goal of global conquest and hatred of Jews.

John Carter · 10-07-2006, 01:55 AM

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Originally Posted by ukpatriot

Islam is no more political and governmental than christianity.

You've never actually read the koran or the New Testament, have you?

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09-07-2006, 06:36 PM	#15 (permalink)
Mikeuk Uber Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Fareham Posts: 5,742 Party: Conservatives	Most Americans never leave the States; don't have passports. In an 'English Pub' in NYC, a regular asked me if the pubs in England were just like it. (The 'North Star'). He said how much he liked it. I said 'It's a good imitation'. Come to England. We've got thousands like it.' 'Oh no I could never go to a place like that.' 'Why not? I came to New York, didn't I?' He shook his head. 'There's only two places worth being in. Manhattan and Jersey City' (his home - the far side of the Holland Tunnel) A few days later I drove through Jersey City, apparently America's answer to Paris and Rome... ...very rapidly :twisted:

10-07-2006, 12:13 AM	#17 (permalink)
Mikeuk Uber Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Fareham Posts: 5,742 Party: Conservatives	Blondy, do you have any 'vested interest' reasons for your 'someone else's country right or wrong' defence of Israel?