Islamic Somalia, the WORLD is watching you!

blondy · 21-06-2006, 12:42 PM

This is a crucial example of Islamic forces having a center stage opportunity to show the world what to expect in other countries it conquers.

The best they could hope for would be no violence and to rule benevolently. Then, the leftists and liberals could point to it and say, "Look at Somalia! It was 'conquered' but the Muslims established peace and tranquility and the people are being ruled firmly but fairly and they respect the non-Muslims. What more could anyone ask? Could the US do any better with their dreaded DEMOCRACY? Ken Livingstone, Jimmy Carter, Cindy Sheehan, John Kerry, Sean Penn and Michael Moore have visited there and saw for themselves how wonderful it is!"

Then, the Bush Administration would have a very tough time convincing our more silly minded citizens that the war was worthwhile.

Very clever strategy!

Let's watch and see how things play out, shall we?

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Global Islamists behind Somali takeover: president
Tue Jun 20, 2006 2:48 PM ET

By Tsegaye Tadesse

ADDIS ABABA (Reuters) - Somalia's interim president said on Tuesday the Islamist militia which has captured Mogadishu from secular warlords could not have succeeded without support from Muslim fundamentalists across the world.

President Abdullahi Yusuf was speaking in Addis Ababa where he pressed the African Union (AU) to send peacekeepers to his country, despite resistance from Islamist rulers who now control a swathe of southern-central Somalia.

"They could not have overtaken Mogadishu had it not been for the international solidarity of fundamentalists throughout the world. We have proof of that," Yusuf told reporters.

"There are fundamentalists from the Gulf and Asia and everybody who harbors fundamentalist ideology collaborated with them to take Mogadishu."

Analysts say the Islamists, loyal to sharia courts, include a small number of militants, some of whom may have received al Qaeda training. But the Islamic Courts Union has repeatedly denied links to extremists.

Yusuf met his close ally, Ethiopian Prime Minister Meles Zenawi, whose government has long been wary of the influence of Islam in the Horn of Africa.

Despite rising tension between the Islamists and both the interim government and its Ethiopian backers, Yusuf said his administration would hold talks with the newly-powerful group.

"As long as the Islamist forces recognize the government, as long as they stand for peace and reconciliation in the country ... we will negotiate," he said.

A source close to Yusuf said he would head to Sudan for talks and was expected to be joined by Prime Minister Mohamed Ali Gedi and parliament speaker Sharif Hassan Sheikh Adan.

"It's possible Sudan might be trying to resolve the rift between the government and the Islamic Courts Union because it is one of the countries that has been supporting the courts," said the source, who did not wish to be named.

"Maybe it will try to persuade the courts to share power with the government."

Washington's top diplomat on Africa urged the international community to support talks.

"We need the (transitional federal government) and Islamic courts to enter a dialogue on the way forward," said Jendayi Frazer, U.S. Assistant Secretary of State for African Affairs.

"And we need all parties to stop any aggressive moves or actions," she told reporters during a visit to Uganda.

SUSPICION

Potential confrontation between the Islamists and the interim government has caused widespread international alarm since Islamist gunmen ejected U.S.-backed warlords from Mogadishu after a three-month battle that killed 350 people.

The Islamists accuse Addis Ababa of sending 300 soldiers across their border, fuelling longstanding suspicion of Ethiopia, which has entered Somalia to fight Islamic forces in the past.

Ethiopia denies the claim and the interim government said it was intended to create a pretext to attack its base in the southern city of Baidoa.

Yusuf's visit came a day after the AU, Western diplomats and the regional group IGAD agreed to send a team to Somalia to assess the feasibility of sending peacekeepers.

Foreign powers are scrambling to react to the Islamists' surprise victory in Mogadishu. In the capital there is euphoria at new-found peace but fears among the mainly moderate Muslim population about the style of Islamic rule they should expect.

Islamic courts militia are the closest thing to a broad central authority that Somalia has had since warlords overran the country in 1991 and carved it up into fiefdoms.

http://today.reuters.com/news/newsAr...1-ArticlePage1

blondy · 27-06-2006, 01:31 PM

The Islamic Somalians have established full control and declare that they are not a moderately Islamic nation but one that is Sharia ruled and one which condemns Democracy. This puts Somalia in direct opposition to the ideals of freedom.

My suspicion is that because they have declared themselves in full compliance with the Sharia that everything else that goes along with Sharia rule will also follow.

A belief in opposing any government that is Democratic, a belief in the idea that Islam must dominate around the world. Anti-semitism. A belief that terrorism is a valid means to achieve their goals.

Intelligence analysts and their governments around the world already know how this will go. But the public now seems to balk every time the US does anything to protect liberty. This is because the public is largely uninformed and many liberals or leftists have agendas which are in opposition to the strategies and tactics which must be used to insure their freedoms. It offends their idea of what is fair, and yet in their naive belief that they can make the world fit into their cute little box of morality they never really understanding the true meaning of the Islamic saying, 'by any means necessary.'

And so they protest and rail against the measures taken in their defense and are unable or unwilling to concede that some terrible things could have happened if the US had not taken pre-emptive actions or conducted the wot as we have so far.

Therefore, I would not be surprised if the U.S. government doesn't let this scenario in Somalia play out in full view so that the public can see for themselves exactly what the Islamic plan is, and what is the price of doing nothing in the face of a globally expansionist Islamic movement.

It is important that we pay attention to this now because there WILL be someone down the road who will try to use revisionistic (lack of) logic to twist this into something that just makes the US look bad.

All I ask is that you just pay attention to this as it plays out.

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Associated Press
Battle in Somalian Capital Kills 5
06.27.2006, 06:43 AM

Members of an Islamic militia that controls most of southern Somalia battled for a clan-held checkpoint early Tuesday, killing five people before declaring victory, witnesses said.

The checkpoint connecting the capital, Mogadishu, to the Lower Shabelle region was manned by members of the Habar Gidir clan, who charged motorists a fee to pass. Three of the victims were civilians, said clan leader Abdi Kaibdid.

The Islamic militia seized control of the capital and much of southern Somalia from an alliance of secular warlords earlier this month. Washington, which accuses the militia of harboring al-Qaida leaders responsible for deadly 1998 bombings at the U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, supported the warlords in an attempt to root out terrorists.

On Monday, the radical cleric who is the militia's new leader, Sheikh Hassan Dahir Aweys, said he envisions an Islamic state, a stand likely to reinforce U.S. fears the nation could become a haven for extremists. Aweys was on the U.S. terrorist watch list as a suspected collaborator with al-Qaida.

Underlining the apparent tougher line, militia leaders said Monday that they will publicly stone to death four suspected rapists if they are convicted in Jowhar, 55 miles from Mogadishu.

"Somalia is a Muslim nation and its people are also Muslim, 100 percent. Therefore any government we agree on would be based on the holy Quran and the teachings of our Prophet Muhammad," Aweys told The Associated Press in a telephone interview, his first comments to the media since being named head of the Islamic militia Saturday.

Aweys' stance could put Somalia on a collision course with the United States and the United Nations. The previous militia leader, Sheikh Sharif Sheikh Ahmed, had been reaching out to the West and Somalia's largely powerless U.N.-backed interim government.

Aweys, 71, condemned Western-style democracy and said he was under no obligation to abide by the wishes of the West.

"It is not compulsory for us to hate what the Westerners hate," said the former military colonel, who spoke from his home in central Somalia.

"Our relationship with the U.S. administration will depend on how the U.S. treats us," he added. "If it treats us well, we will also treat them well. If it behaves badly, it will be responsible."

The U.S. government said it had no plans to engage with Aweys but adding it was not ready to conclude he wants to turn Somalia into a terrorist state.

State Department spokesman Sean McCormack said t he United States would wait to see if the militia shows a commitment to fight terrorism, makes an effort to meet the humanitarian needs of the Somali people and works with the interim government.

After the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks on New York and Washington, the United States put Aweys on a terrorist watch list because he and an Islamic group he founded - al-Itihaad - were believed to have had links to Osama bin Laden while bin Laden was living in Sudan in the early 1990s. U.S. officials have not elaborated on the alleged links.

Aweys went into hiding after the Sept. 11 attacks and didn't re-emerge until August 2005, when he helped found the Islamic militia, now known as the Somali Supreme Islamic Courts Council. He told the AP previously that al-Itihaad no longer existed and that he had no ties to al-Qaida.

http://www.forbes.com/entrepreneurs/...ap2842382.html

John Carter · 27-06-2006, 03:09 PM

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Aweys, 71, condemned Western-style democracy and said he was under no obligation to abide by the wishes of the West.

"It is not compulsory for us to hate what the Westerners hate," said the former military colonel, who spoke from his home in central Somalia.

That's telling. He could have just as easily have illustrated his point with:

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"It is not compulsory for us to like what the Westerners like"

Strange that he chose the word "hate". I guess they're so full of it that they can't see much else.

blondy · 27-06-2006, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by John Carter

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Aweys, 71, condemned Western-style democracy and said he was under no obligation to abide by the wishes of the West.

"It is not compulsory for us to hate what the Westerners hate," said the former military colonel, who spoke from his home in central Somalia.

That's telling. He could have just as easily have illustrated his point with:

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"It is not compulsory for us to like what the Westerners like"

Strange that he chose the word "hate". I guess they're so full of it that they can't see much else.

I think you have a point. But in all fairness, it might be just an expression that everyone says that same way over there and not necessarily indicative of anything...yada, yada, yada.

But we still want to merely observe this like a little experiment.

Ladies and gentlemen posters, what do you think is going to happen in Somalia?

I know how some folks just love to pass judgment before knowing all the facts, well, here's an opportunity for you to do so that will prove how good you are at seeing things clearly.

What will happen in Somalia, hmm?

blondy · 04-07-2006, 12:31 AM

So far, despite Osama bin Laden giving his blessings to the takeover the leaders say they wish to impose only a MODERATE Sharia rule.

Still, they have declared their neighbor, Ethiopia an enemy. Keep your eyes open for an Islamic advance on them. But for now, this.

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Somalia Celebrates Independence Anniversary Under Islamic Courts
By Douglas Mpuga
Washington, DC
03 July 2006
listen to the interview with Omar Aden Qadi

On July 1st, Somalia celebrated its 40th year of independence and the formation of the present-day republic through the unification of British Somaliland and Italian Somaliland. The day was marked by low-key celebrations in Mogadishu, which is controlled by the Union of Islamic Courts. The Islamic Courts, who seek to spread their control throughout Somalia, have promised to expand their governing council to include members of civil society.

Omar Aden Qadi is a journalist and a member of the civil society group that has been in contact with the Islamic courts. He told Voice of America English to Africa reporter Douglas Mpuga that the Union of Islamic Courts derives their strength from the people of Somalia, who appreciate the stability and peace in the areas controlled by the courts.

“People are actually welcoming the development, it is coming from the people, they are requesting that the courts go to their area.” He said the Transitional National government is confined to Baidoa and is very weak and inefficient but the Islamic courts are giving them a chance to organize.

Qadi said rumors that the Islamic courts had banned videos and closed movie theaters are untrue and are attempts at anti-Islamist propaganda. He said some courts that make up the consortium of the Union of Islamic courts had closed some movie theatres but the central command of the Islamic courts overruled them. “It wont be an extreme form of Sharia law, it will fail if it becomes so because it is not in the nature of Somalis to be controlled strongly and the courts know that.”

He added that the Union of Islamic Courts hesitates to be regarded as similar to the Taliban or extremists. Qadi said the Union of Islamic courts has promised to expand the ruling council to include civil society groups in two months. He said the courts would like to involve civil society as a way of forging unity and ensuring stability.

http://www.voanews.com/english/Afric...7-03-voa44.cfm

John Carter · 05-07-2006, 02:43 PM

Taliban style:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/5150118.stm

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Two people are reported dead after Islamist gunmen in central Somalia opened fire in a cinema where people were watching a banned World Cup match.

The cinema owner and a young girl were reportedly killed by militia loyal to the Union of Islamic Courts, who seized control of parts of Somalia last month.

The courts have introduced Sharia law in areas under their authority, including a World Cup broadcast ban.

Somalia has had no effective central government since 1992.

According to reports on a Somali news network, gunmen arrived to close down the cinema in the town of Dhuusa Marreeb in central Galgadud district, where a crowd had gathered to watch the Germany-Italy World Cup semi-final.

Some of the football fans began to protest and according to reports, the gunmen fired in the air in an attempt to disperse them.

When this failed, shots were fired at the demonstrators and two people were killed.

The Islamic courts have introduced Sharia in areas under their authority.

This has included in some parts a ban on cinemas and on broadcasts of World Cup games because they have carried advertisements for alcohol.

The courts have taken control of large parts of Somalia, introducing a level of civil administration and justice which the country has not seen for the past 15 years.

Jarda · 05-07-2006, 03:30 PM

Those are overblown and hateful blackwash stories what you are posting here, John! Your hate campaign about totally peacefull Islam worshippers remembers me similar vicious stories spreaded by Czechs sixty years ago maliciously blaming peaceful Germans from Sudeten for killing Czech policemen, officials and soldiers from ambush

Unfortunately even during that time they were some British haters who in bad will accepted this Czech propaganda and launched evil vicious campaign against Germany and its tolerant people. Surely you know malicious hater and thug Winston Churchill, don't you? Unfortunately this vile thug was able to take over the best British politician of all times, great Neville Chamberlain! :cry: But no need to be sad - the spirit of Neville the Great is back and is with us even here at this forum

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Originally Posted by John Carter

Taliban style:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/5150118.stm

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Two people are reported dead after Islamist gunmen in central Somalia opened fire in a cinema where people were watching a banned World Cup match.

The cinema owner and a young girl were reportedly killed by militia loyal to the Union of Islamic Courts, who seized control of parts of Somalia last month.

The courts have introduced Sharia law in areas under their authority, including a World Cup broadcast ban.

Somalia has had no effective central government since 1992.

According to reports on a Somali news network, gunmen arrived to close down the cinema in the town of Dhuusa Marreeb in central Galgadud district, where a crowd had gathered to watch the Germany-Italy World Cup semi-final.

Some of the football fans began to protest and according to reports, the gunmen fired in the air in an attempt to disperse them.

When this failed, shots were fired at the demonstrators and two people were killed.

The Islamic courts have introduced Sharia in areas under their authority.

This has included in some parts a ban on cinemas and on broadcasts of World Cup games because they have carried advertisements for alcohol.

The courts have taken control of large parts of Somalia, introducing a level of civil administration and justice which the country has not seen for the past 15 years.

blondy · 06-07-2006, 06:23 PM

African, Arab, European Officials Meet With Radical Islamic Group That Controls Somali Capital
Thursday, July 06, 2006

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Somali Militiamen Kill Two People Watching Banned World Cup Match
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Somali Militia Claims Total Authority
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Battle in Somalian Capital Kills 5
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Somali Militia Leader Says He Will Only Support Islamic Government
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U.S. Not Looking to Form Ties With New Somali Leader Suspected of Terror Links
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Somali Islamic Militia Names Suspected Al Qaeda Collaborator Leader
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Warring Somali Factions Sign Ceasefire Deal
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Somalia Islamic Leaders Deny Ties to International Terrorism
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Journalists Detained in Somalia
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Somalis Protest Vote on Peacekeepers
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In Mogadishu, Prayers Amid Lull in Violence
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Somali Clan Threatens Attack on Militia that Overtook Capital
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Islamic Militia Claims Control of Somali Capital

MOGADISHU, Somalia — Members of the radical Islamic group that controls the Somali capital met African, Arab and European officials Thursday and repeated their opposition to the deployment of peacekeepers to stabilize the lawless country.

"We believe that alien forces are both unnecessary and counterproductive," leaders of the Supreme Islamic Courts Council said in a written statement distributed to their visitors. "The Somali problem is a political one, and cannot be resolved by military means."

The Islamic group has organized several demonstrations against foreign troops.

A 21-member delegation from the African Union, Arab League, European Union and an east African organization was in Somalia to assess security conditions in the country ahead of possible deployment of peacekeepers. The force is intended to secure the weak, U.N.-backed transitional government that the Islamic group has challenged, help disarm at least 55,000 militia fighters in Somalia and train a new national army.

"They are not really happy with peacekeepers. We will take this message back to our headquarters" and the response will come from the African Union, Arab League, EU and east Africa's Intergovernmental Authority on Development, said Mohammed Affey, Kenya's ambassador to Somalia who led the delegation.

CountryWatch: Somalia

The Supreme Islamic Courts Council took Mogadishu in June and has expanded its control to much of southern Somalia, while the transitional government holds only one town, Baidoa, 250 kilometers (155 miles) northwest of Mogadishu.

The African, Arab and European officials met leaders of the Islamic group a day after holding talks with the interim government, which has appealed for a peacekeeping force.

The peacekeeping proposal has been endorsed by the African Union and an east African regional group that led peace talks that produced a transitional government nearly two years ago.

"Such forces may have been needed in the long past, while the warlords were brutalizing the Somali people. However, the need has dissipated since they were removed from the scene," the Muslim leaders told the visiting officials.

The group "strongly propose that the issue of foreign troops be left for the Somalis to discuss" during power-sharing talks between the transitional government and the Muslim leaders on July 15 in neighboring Sudan's capital, Khartoum, the statement said.

Somalia has been without an effective central government since the warlords turned on each other, carving much of the country into armed camps ruled by violence and clan law. Islamic fundamentalists have stepped into the vacuum, projecting themselves as an alternative military and political power.

They set up a militia force to enforce their interpretation of Islam and formed a court system that helped desperate Somalis settle disputes.

But the group has grown increasingly radical.

A recruiting video issued by its members and obtained by The Associated Press this week shows Arab radicals fighting alongside the local extremists in Mogadishu. And it invites Muslims from around the world to join in their "holy jihad."

The video, reminiscent of those produced by Islamic extremists in Iraq, Afghanistan and elsewhere, provides the first hard evidence that non-Somalis have joined with Islamic extremists in Somalia. The group has repeatedly denied links to extremists such as al-Qaida.

Late Tuesday, radical Islamic militia fighters in central Somalia shot and killed two people at the screening of a banned World Cup soccer broadcast, an independent radio station reported.

The Islamic fighters, who have banned such entertainment, were dispersing a crowd of teenagers watching the match. They opened fire after the teenagers defied their orders to leave the hall in which a businessman was screening the Germany-Italy match on satellite television, Shabelle Radio reported Wednesday. It said the dead were a girl and the business owner.

The Islamic fighters have forbidden movies and television entertainment in line with their strict interpretation of Islam.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,202344,00.html

blondy · 09-07-2006, 11:19 AM

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2 Somalis killed for watching World Cup

By SALAD DUHUL, Associated Press Writer Wed Jul 5, 2:58 PM ET

MOGADISHU, Somalia - Radical Islamic militia fighters in Somalia shot and killed two people who were watching a banned World Cup soccer broadcast, a radio station reported Wednesday.

The hard-line Muslim fighters, who have banned watching television, opened fire after a crowd of teenagers defied their orders to leave a hall where a businessman was showing Tuesday's Germany-Italy match on satellite television, according to Shabelle Radio, an independent local station. It said the businessman and a teenage girl were killed.

Hard-line Muslim fighters, who wrested control of the Somali capital from warlords in June, have forbidden people from watching television or movies in line with their strict interpretation of Islam.

The militants of the Supreme Islamic Courts Council, who have established control in much of the south, have recently moved into parts of central Somalia, including the Mudug region where Tuesday's shooting occurred.

The leader of their group, Sheikh Hassan Dahir Aweys, has spent the past weeks in central Somalia recruiting fighters in his clan's native region.

Washington has accused the Islamic group of harboring al-Qaida leaders responsible for deadly 1998 bombings at the U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania.

Somalia has been without an effective government since largely clan-based warlords overthrew longtime dictator Mohamed Siad Barre in 1991 and then turned on each other, dividing the nation into a patchwork of rival fiefdoms.

A U.N.-backed transitional government is established only in the southern town of Baidoa, where leaders on Wednesday met officials from a regional East African group, the African Union, European Union and the Arab League to discuss plans for deploying peacekeepers.

The 24-member delegation held talks with President Abdullahi Yusuf, Prime Minister Ali Mohamed Gedi and parliamentary Speaker Sharif Hassan Sheikh Aden.

The team is expected to visit Mogadishu Thursday for talks with the Islamic group that controls the city and opposes the deployment of peacekeepers.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060705/...alia_world_cup

Mikeuk · 10-07-2006, 05:03 PM

Shooting a few UK soccer fans from time to time might not be a bad idea.

Might keep them quiet for a change. :twisted:

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10-07-2006, 05:03 PM	#10 (permalink)
Mikeuk Uber Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Fareham Posts: 5,658 Party: Conservatives	Shooting a few UK soccer fans from time to time might not be a bad idea. Might keep them quiet for a change. :twisted: