adrianwainer

Aardvark wrote
Sorry wrong, inaccurate, false and misleading. The aspiration of the Palestinian leadership is not for a modern democratic state, it is to establish a Caliphate under the control of Arab Muslims which is headed by Palestinian Arab Muslims. Ehud Barak offered Arafat the Gaza Strip, a Palestinian Capital in East Jerusalem and most of the West Bank and Arafat was not interested and quite logically so. Arafat was nothing more than a local Arab "mafia" tyrant /common criminal and he certainly was not interested in risking his and his clans rich financial pickings, skimmed off aid and assistance to the "Palestinian People" and possibly risk being assassinated in order to seek statehood and the welfare of the "Palestinian People". The Arab elites are not interested in creating and developing Modern democratic Nation States they are jockeing for position with one another to create a World ruleing Arab Muslim Empire.

So when Palestinians went in the Streets to celebrate the 9/11 attack, it is entirely logical that they did so, in that for years they have been fed a diet of raceist and faceist propaganda which declares the World belongs to Muslim Arabs and that all infidels should be destroyed. QED

„Ik val aan, volg mij!”
Rear Admiral Karel Doorman Royal Netherlands Navy
Battle of the Java Sea 1942

Aardvark

Adrian, I had abbreviated your name to AW and Bentley Turbo's name to BT. I was asking BT about his citizenship since one reading of his post was that 'our armed forces' meant the IDF.

I don't normally care about dual citizenship, but I do like to know where people's loyalties lie. It makes the understanding of people's posts that much easier if you understand a little about them.

There are many people who are pro-Israel on this forum and many who are less sympathetic to the Israeli position. It would be absurd for us to believe that a poster was neutral and objective if he turned out, for instance, to be a member of Mossad.

A lot of what BT is stating appears to be serious disinformation about German/Prussian history. If, for instance, his family had suffered horrendous losses at the hands of the Nazis or it transpired that he was a citizen of Israel it would not make his posts invalid, but it could mean that he is less objective than he might be.

A trawl through my posts would identify me quite clearly; there is a link to a photo of me in the minutes of one of the Lechlade Group meetings. I joined anonymously because I wanted to see which way the forum might go. I stick with being Aardvark because I have created a persona that is well known amongst long term posters. I've met many people who post here and they know who I am. From what I have posted over the years it would be easy to identify my race, creed, colour, my origins, the car I drive, the size of my family and all sorts of things.

Tolerance of European fascism was because the excesses of the corporate state had not taken place. The only people who were suffering in the beginning were communists and socialists, the very people who had deposed the Tsar and murdered him and his children. A lot of people were frightened of what they saw in the east and wanted a strong counter balance to the murder and mayhem of the Russian Revolution. The excesses of the Nazis were progressive and people didn't see where they were going. I doubt that anybody would have believed in late 1933 that a Germany with a struggling economy, 6 million male unemployed, a limited army, no air force whatsoever, a few old ships and with French troops on parts off its territory would only 12 years later have wrought untold pain, suffering and destruction across so much of the world.

Hindsight is wonderful. I know today that I definitely would not have supported Hitler, but in 1933 would I have thought the same?

adrianwainer

Aarvark wrote
Quite simply untrue
As for Aardvark's comment:
During Word War 2, RAF Bomber Command engaged in the Fire Bombing of German Citys and they were right to do so, since they were dealing with an exterminationist ideology and the Isreali military is entirely within its rights to hunt and hit Exterminationist IslamoFascist/IslamoNazi Arab racial supremacists and it is a serious matter of regret to the Israeli Government and Israeli People in the neccesity of using military measures to kill these Nazis that due to their tactics of hideing amongst innocent civilians that innocent people do inevitably die and are inevitably seriously injured in such operations despite the best efforts of the IDF to confine the effects of such military operaions to the intended targets.

Best and Warm Regards
Adrian Wainer

„Ik val aan, volg mij!”
Rear Admiral Karel Doorman Royal Netherlands Navy
Battle of the Java Sea 1942

adrianwainer

Aardvark wrote

Aardvark, I think you may have been reading too many James Bond Books oh and bye the whilst Mossad comes under the authority of the Israeli Government it is not part of the IDF [ Israeli Defence Forces ], with the IDF haveing its own seperate covert intelligence and special operations organization.

Best and Warm Regards
Adrian Wainer

„Ik val aan, volg mij!”
Rear Admiral Karel Doorman Royal Netherlands Navy
Battle of the Java Sea 1942

Aardvark

AW,

Strange to relate, most Palestinians would like a stable existence.

The reason that they have democratically voted for Hamas is partially due to the corruption in Fatah that you have quite rightly alluded to. Hamas, despite its position on the right of Israel to exist, is very good at social services. It is not a corrupt organisation in the way that so many middle eastern clan based bodies tend to be, and, since there were no other creible options, a vote for Hamas might well have been a vote against the corrupt old guard who have failed to deliver the quality of life that most Palestinians aspire to.

Israel has reacted badly to democratic elections. The saddest thing about establishing a democratic system in another country is that you can't choose who will get elected. The Palestinian elections are recognised as free and fair. Hamas is the choice and Israel, instead of cutting off the taxes collected in the Palestinian territories, should look at ways of dealing with the realities on the ground (their expression). Unfortunately the Israeli Government has, as all the coalitions have had to, look to the opinions of the extreme religious parties.

It is easy to knock Hamas for their views, but believe me there are plenty of Israeli politicians with equally distasteful views. To counter those Muslims who dream of a Caliphate there are Israelis who wish to destroy the al-Aqsa Mosque, bulldoze the Dome of the Rock and build a new Temple of Solomon on its original site. You should see the damage done to the Mameluke architecture that stood by the Wailing Wall until after 1967 when it was wantonly bulldozed.

In this they are supported by equally mad Christian fundamentalists who are trying to provoke Armageddon by returning all Jews to Israel so that the last battle can take place and Christ will return in all his glory (how do you think the ordinary Arabs who have to put up with these nutters roaming the streets think?)

Rabbi Yosef hates all Arabs in the most racist way. He wants a return to an ultra Orthodox Jewish religious life, the expulsion of all Arabs and non-Jews from not only Israel, but also the biblical Israel that includes a lot of modern Jordan. He has supporters in the Knesset. If you want to see the world that he would create go to Mea Sharim, the Orthodox heart of modern Israel. That is really extreme.

adrianwainer

Aardvark wrote
when you Aardvark write
That is so far as I am aware is pure speculation and pure supposition and if want to go down that road, for all I know you might be the illegitimate adopted son of a major Nazi War Criminal and "Odessa's" United Kingdom station chief!

As for people who have suffered directly at the hands of the Nazis for being Jewish [ or who have had close relatives suffer at the hands of the Nazis for being Jewish ] being aggresively pro-Israel, you might believe they would be.............but if you did you would be wrong, the hardest right wingers in Israel come not from the desendants of European holocaust victims in Israel or even European Holocaust victims themselves in Israel but Israelis who have emigrated from Arab countrys and understand the Arab mentality, in which human life and decency quite simply has no value whatsoever.

With Best and Warm Regards
Adrian Wainer

„Ik val aan, volg mij!”
Rear Admiral Karel Doorman Royal Netherlands Navy
Battle of the Java Sea 1942

Aardvark

Adrian, I haven't been reading the James Bond books. Look at Bentley Turbo's chambers website and his so called specialisations. You couldn't make it up. He's the one who rabbits on about his links to intelligence organisations and MP's offices.

The Israelis as of late 2002 admitted dropping 1000lb bombs on Palestinian targets on 24 occasions. One bomb killed the target, but also destroyed a block of flats he lived in killing 13 others including small children.

I was talking about our current rules of engagement. WWII was total war. Our blanket bombing began only after Dunkirk and the expulsion fromthe European mainland of all anti-Nazi forces west of the Soviet Union, a Nazi ally at the time. Our current armed forces do not, by and large, indulge in reckless attacks with no consideration of the consequences.

I didn't say Mossad was or was not part of the IDF. They are all collectively Israeli. Incidentally the terrorist groups of the Stern Gang, Haganah and Irgun were all absorbed into the IDF on its creation and people wanted by the British Mandate authorities for murder subsequently went into the Israeli government.

adrianwainer

concerning this post of your's Aardvark:

Israel is a democratic State and in a democratic state you will get all sorts of crazy and nasty people expressing their views and if you want to cherry pick on that to make your argument fine, it is highly effective Adolf Hitler used it to destroy the Weimar Republic, so it certainly works!

Best and Warm Regards
Adrian Wainer

„Ik val aan, volg mij!”
Rear Admiral Karel Doorman Royal Netherlands Navy
Battle of the Java Sea 1942

adrianwainer

Aardvark wrote
Well I have not seen his site but from what you say [ and not makeing specific reference on my part to Bentleyturbo but takeing the general issues raised ] would you not think if somebody really was a "Mossad Agent", he/she would not be a bit more sophiscated than that, like what use would there be in being a Mossad agent whose presumed role is to make accusations against Germans or whatever, if people get the impression the person makeing them is a nutter or a spook with an agenda! Like I would have thought, it would be an important aspect of being a "secret agent", to be well secret!........ about being a secret agent but maybe Aardvark, you have a better understanding of covert and clandestine tradecraft than me, so I stand to be corrected on that.

Best and Warm Regards
Adrian Wainer

„Ik val aan, volg mij!”
Rear Admiral Karel Doorman Royal Netherlands Navy
Battle of the Java Sea 1942

adrianwainer

What was 9/11, post-modernist performance art?

Aardvark wrote
Well New York City 9/11 looked a lot like "total war" to me, so maybe the United Kingdom would need to have a look again at its rules of engagement, if they are as strict as would seem to suggest they are, which at a practical on the ground level, I have my doubts [ they are as strict as you suggest Aardvark ], e.g. like I had not realized being a Brazilian tradesman working in the United Kingdom warranted summary execution under UK law.

Best and Warm Regards
Adrian Wainer
„Ik val aan, volg mij!”
Rear Admiral Karel Doorman Royal Netherlands Navy
Battle of the Java Sea 1942