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conan

The political outlook of the mass media is overwhelmingly Leftist. The BBC and Grauniad set the tone in Britain, the mass media in the other Western Democracies is just as biased. The blatant attempt by Dan Rather to influence the last US election with forged documents is a classic example of the malignant effect of this media bias. (see .http://newsbusters.org/node/5719

Britannist

I certainly agree with what you say about the BBC and Guardian (Grauniad) Conan. I should think half the copies of the Guardian sold in the London area end up on the desk's of the BBC's 27, 000 staff at White City.

Not only is the BBC and much of media leftist - it's fanatically europhile (i.e. pro-EU and pro-euro) too.

You mentioned Dan Rather, Conan. Well, as you may know - he's still around but retired (last year) from reading the news on America's CBS Television. There used to be a website (there may still be one) called 'Rather Biased' which was set up in opposition to what Republican Party supporters in America saw (and perhaps still see) as Dan Rather's leftist and pro-Democrat Party bias.

There has to be a law over here to stop the way the media is being manipulated to promoting the left's and the europhile warped view of the world. These media leftists and europhiles in the establishment metro-'elite' have got a cheek - thinking they can use television and radio to push their own views whilst deliberately not reporting what's really going on.

smooveOp

You may want to belive that but the facts really don't bear you out.

Look at the number of people who buy the Guardian comapred to the Telegraph or Times (or even the FT come to that).

You have to multiply the Guardian's circulation by nearly 10 to reach the circulation of The Sun and by 7 to match the Mail!

Oh, and doesn't the owner of the The Sun and the Times own Sky too?

How can what you've said possibly be true? 8)

From the Online Press Gazette
http://www.pressgazette.co.uk/?t=art...timesclosingin

Britannist

About half the newspapers listed above are Labour supporting. Some of them are owned by groups who own big chains of local newspapers which are also Labour supporting.

The majority of the newspapers listed above (in the last posting) are europhile. If a referendum were held on the UK's continued membership of the EU those newspapers would urge their readers to stay in the EU.

The media, of course, also includes the BBC which is watched by tens of millions of people across all parts of the UK every day. The BBC is europhile. Despite its row with Blair over Iraq, the BBC remains pro-Labour (it even uses red as its presentation colour between television programmes). Not for nothing is the BBC known as the Blair Broadcasting Corporation or the Brussels Broadcasting Corporation.

smooveOp

You've got me interested now. How do you get to half? :?

Everyone knows about the Mirror and the Guardian but as I've already pointed out, those papers pale into insignificance when you compare them with say, the readership of the Sun and the Telegraph - which are not exactly known for being left-wing!

What other mass-market newspapers do you think are left-wing? (I'm not really worried about the Independent either)

mkpdavies

I had a read through the Independent for the first time in a long time today.

It shoud be had up on the trades description act, as it is anything but Independent.

I would rename it the Lib Dem times.

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Britannist

You've hit the nail on the head. I've always called it the "so-called" Independent because it's plainly a europhile Lib Dim mouthpiece (which also gives space to the europhile wings of the Labour and Green parties). The few times I've come across people who buy it every day - they've always (without exception) been europhiles. And extreme ones too :evil: .

It was the vile so-called 'Independent' which printed about 10 full pages attacking UKIP :evil: the morning after the EU Election results 2004 came in. I'm glad all those UKIP gains sent them (the europhile so-called 'Independent') round the bend in anger :twisted: .

I may be wrong - but I think the so-called Independent is owned by Mirror group newspapers (europhiles). What I'm certain of is that the so-called Independent is losing money on each copy it sells - and sales of it are well down on 10 years ago (whatever the 'paper may claim about its circulation rising).

Britannist

Hello Smooth Op. I'm should just point out that what I say is related to the number of newspaper titles and not the number of readers of each paper (or a group of newspapers).

The following newspapers backed Labour at the last General Election (May 2005) and still do (officially): Daily Star (Express group), News of the World, Sun, Times (all News International/Murdoch owned), Daily Mirror, Sunday Mirror (and Daily Record - the Scottish version of the Daily Mirror), Sunday People, Independent, Independent on Sunday (all Mirror group owned), The Guardian, The Financial Times, Observer and the London Evening Standard (Standard owned by Associated newspapers).

The following newspapers supported the Conservatives at the last General Election: Daily Mail, Daily Express, Sunday Express, Daily Telegraph, Sunday Telegraph and the Sunday Times.

I make that 14 national (or part-national in the case of the Daily Record and London Standard) UK newspapers backing Labour compared to 6 supporting the opposition Conservatives.

Smooth Op - you asked how did I get to saying "half of national newspapers are left (i.e. back Labour)". Well, it seems I actually under-stated the position. The overwhelming majority of UK national newspapers (at the moment) back Labour.

I haven't done a proper calculation of the readership statistics given earlier in this thread - but the combined readership of the newspapers I've named as Labour-supporting is about double the combined circulation of the 'papers backing the Conservative Party (if not more than double).

adrianwainer

My best guess

Is that the BBC and The Guardian and The Independent has a far greater influence on British society than even their combined very substantial viewer/listener/reader figures would suggest in that such organizations appeal to extremist left-wingers and well intentioned do-gooder left wingers and these people tend to have disproportinate influence on British society, why I say disproportinate influence on British society is that in the case of extremist left-wingers they have objectives and are happy to employ means of achieving those objectives which are on a par with Hitler's Third Reich, so their [ ie the extremist left wingers ] sheer ruthlessness would make their activities have a disproportinate influence on British society even if the adherents of extremist left wing ideology were small in numbers [ whilst it is the case they actually constitute large numbers of UK residents ] and in the case of both the extremists Left-wingers and the well intentioned Left wing do-gooders they often are in positions e.g. education where there is no sanction for appaling job performance and there are often posative rewards for engageing in society damaging activities eg in respect of the police I would take a guess a faster route to promotion is becoming an internal affairs officer and destroying a decent police officers' career because he called a fellow officer a "black w#nker" when the comment was intended as nothing more than harmless banter and nothing racist was intended, whilst actually going out on the beat and trying to stop thugs terrorizeing black or white people would leave you stuck as a PC for the rest of your life: with result that the extremist left-wingers and their well intentioned do-gooder Left wing fellow travellers have the time and money to purse their leftist projects because their job and career are not performance tested and they can often advantage themselves financially and career wise by seeing extremist leftist society damageing initiatives implemented.

Best and Warm Regards
Adrian Wainer