Do you believe the death of Mr. Milosevic is 'suspicious'?

Britannist · 12-03-2006, 05:31 AM

What did you think when you first heard the news that former Yugoslav President Milosevic had died (aged 64) on 11.3.2006? I know what I thought. I've put a poll up (above).

Former President Milosovic was plainly not very nice - but I still don't agree with the whole concept of an 'international court'. I am a sovereigntist and believe that what went on in (the former) Yugoslavia cannot and should not be decided by anyone except the government and people of the area that used to make up the (now defunct) state of Yugoslavia.

The following report was being carried on ITV 1 Teletext (analogue) at 5.25 am (today, 12.3.2006 - page 303 main story): Controversy surrounds the death of Slobodon Milosevic as supporters claim that he may have been poisoned. The former Serb leader was found dead of "natural causes" in his cell at The Hague (Holland) where he was being detained while on trial for war crimes. His lawyer, Zcenko Tomanovic, claimed Milosevic had said he thought he was being poisoned, and has requested that an autopsy be carried out in Moscow. (End of report)

BBC 1 Ceefax said (in a report on screen at 5.28 am on page 104 on 12.3.2006): A Serbian doctor will attend the autopsy of Slobodan Milosevic in the Netherlands on Sunday as his family blames his death on The Hague tribunal. The former Yugoslav president, who was 64 and suffering from high blood pressure and heart problems, was found dead in his cell on Saturday. He died just months before the scheduled end of his trial for war crimes in the Balkans in the 1990's. The tribunal has requested a full autopsy and toxicological examination. (End or report)

Britannist · 12-03-2006, 05:19 PM

Zdenko Tomanovic, the lawyer of Slobodan Milosevic, said on 12.3.2006 that Mr. Milosevic feared that he was being poisoned and had said so only the day before he died on 11.3.2006 in his prison cell at the Hague in Holland. Mr. Milosevic had complained of “strong drugs in his system only used for treating leprosy or tubercolosis.” The Chief Prosecutor for the United Nations , Carle del Ponte, said that he did not die of suicide or poisoning. She claimed that there were “no outward signs” of suicide or unnatural death” on the body. Mr. Milosevic had said in a letter he wrote the day before he died that “traces of a heavy drug” had been found in his bloodstream.” His lawyer produced the letter at a tribunal being held by the United Nations. “He was seriously concerned about bein poisoned” Mr. Tomanovic stated on 12.3.2006. The UN tribunal (handling the case of human rights abuses allegedly committed by Mr. Milosevic when he was President of Yugoslavia/Serbia) stopped an autopsy on the body of Mr. Milosevic being held outside the Netherlands. The first post-mortem – which was carried out by a Dutch coroner - did not find the cause of death. The Government of Serbia has sent a pathologist to act as a witness of a subsequent autopsy to be held by Dutch pathologists at the Netherlands Forensic Institute.

mkpdavies · 12-03-2006, 05:30 PM

It has a touch of the Kelly's about it, that is for sure.

John Carter · 12-03-2006, 07:06 PM

Yep. It was looking like they weren't going to get a conviction. If they couldn't get him on any charges, then the attack on Serbia would have been technically illegal and the perps (NATO) would have been red-faced at minimum.

mkpdavies · 13-03-2006, 08:59 AM

Some of the top comments on the BBC website.

http://newsforums.bbc.co.uk/nol/thre...954&#paginator

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The biggest war criminal of the former Yugoslavia was not Milosevic, but Izetbegovic. It is Izetbegovic who invited Al-Qaeda/islamic terrorists to the region in the early 1990's to start a campaign of terror against non muslims. And all the western leaders fell for the Bosnian muslims playing the role of the victims to perfection.

International justice is a farce, it always has been and likely always will be.

Marcel de Vries, The Hague, Netherlands

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He was the victor's "War Criminal" of choice - they fail to indict Western Allies like Croatian President Franjo Tudjman who was also a "War Criminal". Shame Bush and Blair can prance around the world without being called "War Criminals" which they are.

D S, Edinburgh, UK

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The demonisation of Milosevic by the Western Media in general has been relentless since his arrest by the War Crimes Tribunal. The true causes of the Balkans wars was the illegal succession of the Neo-Fascist Croatia and the war mongering of the Bosnian Muslims. Now, the Tribunal are happy because Milosevic is dead, and is unable to further expose their pathetic (lack of) evidence at the Tribunal.

Andrew Bailey, London, United Kingdom

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Here was a man who saw his people under threat, promised to defend them from attack [from armed muslim terrorists within the nation's borders] and for that was branded a 'war criminal'. His actions were nowhere near as catastrophic as those of bush/blair, who illegally invaded a sovereign nation that was NOT in the process of harming their people, killed tens of thousands of civillians, etc. So, the question is : when will we see the more deserving war criminals facing justice in the Hague?

j.gomer, uk

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The man was protecting his people,& he deserves my deep respect.The only reason the West was trying to discredit him was to say the muslim world "look,we defended you guys in Bosnia and Kosovo,so please don't cause us any more problems in Europe,ok?" In the end Serbs were humiliated whereas muslims’memory is stuck on cartoons &on bunch of idiots in Iraqi prisons.Islam in its present form is the biggest threat to this world peace,& Milosevic was its brave victim.RIP,Slobodan.

TL, Coventry

The comments just go on and on like this. Looks like a lot of people in the world no longer believe a word their media or governments tell them.

mkpdavies · 13-03-2006, 09:11 AM

Yet here are the comments the BBC chose to reprint on the main page.

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I hope that with his death an era will also end in Serbia

G Kasbergu, Pristina, Kosovo

Yet again another heinous criminal has been allowed to escape justice

Paul Williams, Taunton, UK

View Poll Results: Do you believe that the death of Mr. Milosevic is 'suspicious'?
Yes - he was 'done in' by those who wanted him silenced	2	25.00%
No - he died of 'natural causes' as the authorities say	1	12.50%
The stress of the case affected his blood pressure/heart	1	12.50%
I'm undecided - let's wait for the full facts to emerge	3	37.50%
It was suicide	1	12.50%
Voters: 8. You may not vote on this poll

12-03-2006, 05:31 AM	#1 (permalink)
Britannist Uber Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: London Posts: 22,896	Do you believe the death of Mr. Milosevic is 'suspicious'? What did you think when you first heard the news that former Yugoslav President Milosevic had died (aged 64) on 11.3.2006? I know what I thought. I've put a poll up (above). Former President Milosovic was plainly not very nice - but I still don't agree with the whole concept of an 'international court'. I am a sovereigntist and believe that what went on in (the former) Yugoslavia cannot and should not be decided by anyone except the government and people of the area that used to make up the (now defunct) state of Yugoslavia. The following report was being carried on ITV 1 Teletext (analogue) at 5.25 am (today, 12.3.2006 - page 303 main story): Controversy surrounds the death of Slobodon Milosevic as supporters claim that he may have been poisoned. The former Serb leader was found dead of "natural causes" in his cell at The Hague (Holland) where he was being detained while on trial for war crimes. His lawyer, Zcenko Tomanovic, claimed Milosevic had said he thought he was being poisoned, and has requested that an autopsy be carried out in Moscow. (End of report) BBC 1 Ceefax said (in a report on screen at 5.28 am on page 104 on 12.3.2006): A Serbian doctor will attend the autopsy of Slobodan Milosevic in the Netherlands on Sunday as his family blames his death on The Hague tribunal. The former Yugoslav president, who was 64 and suffering from high blood pressure and heart problems, was found dead in his cell on Saturday. He died just months before the scheduled end of his trial for war crimes in the Balkans in the 1990's. The tribunal has requested a full autopsy and toxicological examination. (End or report)

12-03-2006, 05:19 PM	#2 (permalink)
Britannist Uber Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: London Posts: 22,896	Lawyer suspicious about the death of his client Zdenko Tomanovic, the lawyer of Slobodan Milosevic, said on 12.3.2006 that Mr. Milosevic feared that he was being poisoned and had said so only the day before he died on 11.3.2006 in his prison cell at the Hague in Holland. Mr. Milosevic had complained of “strong drugs in his system only used for treating leprosy or tubercolosis.” The Chief Prosecutor for the United Nations , Carle del Ponte, said that he did not die of suicide or poisoning. She claimed that there were “no outward signs” of suicide or unnatural death” on the body. Mr. Milosevic had said in a letter he wrote the day before he died that “traces of a heavy drug” had been found in his bloodstream.” His lawyer produced the letter at a tribunal being held by the United Nations. “He was seriously concerned about bein poisoned” Mr. Tomanovic stated on 12.3.2006. The UN tribunal (handling the case of human rights abuses allegedly committed by Mr. Milosevic when he was President of Yugoslavia/Serbia) stopped an autopsy on the body of Mr. Milosevic being held outside the Netherlands. The first post-mortem – which was carried out by a Dutch coroner - did not find the cause of death. The Government of Serbia has sent a pathologist to act as a witness of a subsequent autopsy to be held by Dutch pathologists at the Netherlands Forensic Institute.

12-03-2006, 05:30 PM	#3 (permalink)
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12-03-2006, 07:06 PM	#4 (permalink)
John Carter Uber Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: On Sabbatical Posts: 5,110	Yep. It was looking like they weren't going to get a conviction. If they couldn't get him on any charges, then the attack on Serbia would have been technically illegal and the perps (NATO) would have been red-faced at minimum.