A very brave lady

Bluemerle · 10-03-2006, 03:52 PM

I don't know if you have seen the video by Wafa Sultan, a very brave lady.

http://switch5.castup.net/frames/200...050wmv&ak=null

kernow · 10-03-2006, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Bluemerle

I don't know if you have seen the video by Wafa Sultan, a very brave lady.

http://switch5.castup.net/frames/200...050wmv&ak=null

Brilliant! What a courageous Lady! The BBC ought to play that tape in the middle of their everyday News for a week!

Intbel · 10-03-2006, 07:59 PM

Nice one.

Should be aired on all M.E. websites and TV channels ..

extra ordinary · 10-03-2006, 09:02 PM

very rare to see people talk openly and freely in this way
I have to respect her
I do not completely agree with all she says but she has every right to safely use the words and think the thoughts she chooses
I am slightly left with the feeling do I properly understand exactly what is happening in Islam and what is happening with the relations muslims have with others -is it changing ?
we lived with respect of with each others lives for centuries
Christians like myself I imagine try to defend Islam to a point, seeing it at least as a faith and have separated the extremists from the mainstream that we see living and working around us.
that is not to support immigration I think almost all of it shouId be discontinued and we shouId never have given up our right to call ourselves a Christian nation or defend ourselves if attacked.
what is the use in fighting each other as the memri tv star says pretty much; better to have a war of words and some self examination

I was aware that the abuses in our society are as strange to them as they are to me, thats partly why I do politics even if in a small way.
the feature we have is Islams faliure to accept its critics and to realise that there are many abuses in Islamic society too
but now sections of the Islamic community are hostile and extremists exploit that for all it is worth
I do not grasp the reasons why we have reached where we are today
why say the USA couId be hated over and above any other given nation
I only seem to be able to make observations without providing a fix for it
I am perplexed.

Tom Collier · 13-03-2006, 10:17 AM

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I am slightly left with the feeling do I properly understand exactly what is happening in Islam and what is happening with the relations muslims have with others -is it changing ?

Its going through a Reformation style crisis. Prescription : give it a wide birth for about 100 years. The fact that Islam has an illustrious past and many followers who are great people doesn`t detract from the fact it is going through a crisis. Sorry to be cursory but I have come to think its true.

Intbel · 13-03-2006, 06:43 PM

"This crusade, this war on terrorism, is going to take awhile."

Thus spake G.W.Bush for whom 'crusade' was an offhand reference. But all the more powerfully for that, it was an accidental probing of unintended but nevertheless real meaning. That the President used the word inadvertently suggests how it expressed his exact truth, an unmasking of his most deeply felt purpose. 'Crusade', he said. Later, his embarrassed aides suggested that he had meant to use the word only as a synonym for struggle, but Bush's own syntax belied that. He defined crusade as war. Even offhandedly, he had said exactly what he meant.

Osama Bin Laden:

''The call to wage war against America was made because America has spearheaded the crusade against the Islamic nation, sending tens of thousands of its troops to the land of the two holy mosques over and above its meddling in its affairs and its politics and its support of the oppressive, corrupt and tyrannical regime that is in control.''

In relatively backward populations it is all too easy to generate support for a crusade against "Those Evil Christians" and indeed, against "Those evil Muslims."

How hypocritical it is to deride Muslims who attack our interests on the basis of a religious faith when Bush stated publicly "God told me to invade Iraq" ? He also stated "God would tell me, 'George, go end the tyranny in Iraq' and I did."

Those statements says much about Bush and his thinking.

And Blair, explaining how he managed to live with the decision to go to war in Iraq: "If you have faith about these things then you realise that judgement is made by other people. If you believe in God, it's made by God as well."

Bear in mind, in 2003, Blair allowed Christian organisations and other 'faith groups' a central role in policy-making in a decisive break with British traditions that religion and government should not mix.

To allow policy to be determined by faith I find worrisome, especially in the light of today's unrest.

As to the Muslim world, what it needs right now is a long period of calm and stability, not one based on security apparatuses and dictators but on the free expression of the collective will of its peoples. If the west is not prepared to help in that endeavor, it should at least cease being a hindrance. The worst thing it can do is to become our enemy.

vimto · 14-03-2006, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Bluemerle

I don't know if you have seen the video by Wafa Sultan, a very brave lady.

http://switch5.castup.net/frames/200...050wmv&ak=null

Very brave, very refreshing, like Hirsti Ali - why are the brave Muslims often women?

Islam is a fascist ideology that must not be pandered to.

smooveOp · 14-03-2006, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by vimto

Islam is a fascist ideology that must not be pandered to.

Come on Vimto - give it to us straight - say what you really mean!

vimto · 14-03-2006, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by smooveOp

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Originally Posted by vimto

Islam is a fascist ideology that must not be pandered to.

Come on Vimto - give it to us straight - say what you really mean!

Er, sorry did I write that?

In the interests of international peace, love and harmony I retract that post and wish to state that I have nothing against the worldwide beheading and self-exploding community.

kind regards

10-03-2006, 03:52 PM	#1 (permalink)
Bluemerle Uber Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Dorset. Posts: 3,252	A very brave lady I don't know if you have seen the video by Wafa Sultan, a very brave lady. http://switch5.castup.net/frames/200...050wmv&ak=null

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Intbel Uber Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: In a field near you - look for the yellow and purple tent ... Posts: 4,665	Nice one. Should be aired on all M.E. websites and TV channels .. __________________ We are all free to choose - every step of the way - no exceptions.

13-03-2006, 06:43 PM	#6 (permalink)
Intbel Uber Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: In a field near you - look for the yellow and purple tent ... Posts: 4,665	"This crusade, this war on terrorism, is going to take awhile." Thus spake G.W.Bush for whom 'crusade' was an offhand reference. But all the more powerfully for that, it was an accidental probing of unintended but nevertheless real meaning. That the President used the word inadvertently suggests how it expressed his exact truth, an unmasking of his most deeply felt purpose. 'Crusade', he said. Later, his embarrassed aides suggested that he had meant to use the word only as a synonym for struggle, but Bush's own syntax belied that. He defined crusade as war. Even offhandedly, he had said exactly what he meant. Osama Bin Laden: ''The call to wage war against America was made because America has spearheaded the crusade against the Islamic nation, sending tens of thousands of its troops to the land of the two holy mosques over and above its meddling in its affairs and its politics and its support of the oppressive, corrupt and tyrannical regime that is in control.'' In relatively backward populations it is all too easy to generate support for a crusade against "Those Evil Christians" and indeed, against "Those evil Muslims." How hypocritical it is to deride Muslims who attack our interests on the basis of a religious faith when Bush stated publicly "God told me to invade Iraq" ? He also stated "God would tell me, 'George, go end the tyranny in Iraq' and I did." Those statements says much about Bush and his thinking. And Blair, explaining how he managed to live with the decision to go to war in Iraq: "If you have faith about these things then you realise that judgement is made by other people. If you believe in God, it's made by God as well." Bear in mind, in 2003, Blair allowed Christian organisations and other 'faith groups' a central role in policy-making in a decisive break with British traditions that religion and government should not mix. To allow policy to be determined by faith I find worrisome, especially in the light of today's unrest. As to the Muslim world, what it needs right now is a long period of calm and stability, not one based on security apparatuses and dictators but on the free expression of the collective will of its peoples. If the west is not prepared to help in that endeavor, it should at least cease being a hindrance. The worst thing it can do is to become our enemy. __________________ We are all free to choose - every step of the way - no exceptions.

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extra ordinary Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: south east Posts: 196	very rare to see people talk openly and freely in this way I have to respect her I do not completely agree with all she says but she has every right to safely use the words and think the thoughts she chooses I am slightly left with the feeling do I properly understand exactly what is happening in Islam and what is happening with the relations muslims have with others -is it changing ? we lived with respect of with each others lives for centuries Christians like myself I imagine try to defend Islam to a point, seeing it at least as a faith and have separated the extremists from the mainstream that we see living and working around us. that is not to support immigration I think almost all of it shouId be discontinued and we shouId never have given up our right to call ourselves a Christian nation or defend ourselves if attacked. what is the use in fighting each other as the memri tv star says pretty much; better to have a war of words and some self examination I was aware that the abuses in our society are as strange to them as they are to me, thats partly why I do politics even if in a small way. the feature we have is Islams faliure to accept its critics and to realise that there are many abuses in Islamic society too but now sections of the Islamic community are hostile and extremists exploit that for all it is worth I do not grasp the reasons why we have reached where we are today why say the USA couId be hated over and above any other given nation I only seem to be able to make observations without providing a fix for it I am perplexed.