US fears Iran has `covert' nukes

mkpdavies · 07-01-2005, 08:30 AM

http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/worl.../07/2003218384

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A senior US official told AFP that the Iranians may be working on testing "high-explosive shaped charges with an inert core of depleted uranium" at Parchin as a sort of dry test for how a bomb with fissile material would work.

Why am I getting Deja Vu here? If the US does get all "It's worked in Japan, It'll work in Iran, Nuke em until they glow!", will the EU front them up this time?

I want off the planet if this happens! Superblock, clashing heads, won't be a pretty sight!

cynic · 08-01-2005, 09:09 PM

Unless we want the mother of all suicide bombs to end on our doorstep some kind of pre-emptive strike will have to take place either from the U.S. or Israel. Of course when it happens there will be a replay scenario from the EU and the United Nations castigating the go it alone policy while dithering is held up as a solution.

Lafayette · 09-01-2005, 01:37 AM

Understandably, people will be concerned about this, but I don't think they have to worry about a nuclear or Iraq-style attack. The simple fact of the matter is that we don't have the resources for the latter and the former, well, you think people got mad over Iraq? Hiroshima and Nagasaki were 60 years ago and the harm done might not ever be healed. To nuke Iran after the Iraq fiasco would open the door for a huge backlash that I at least hope the government realizes isn't worth it strategically.

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pre-emptive strike will have to take place either from the U.S. or Israel.

If the Israelis want to make an airstrike like they did against Saddam's reactor decades ago, that might be okay. Those guys are aces and being that their very survival depends on knowing what goes on around them, if they think Iran has something worth worrying about, they'll go at it even without American urging, although that might come back to bite them as they work towards a settlement with the Palestinians. I can't remember if it's Hamas or Hizbollah, but I know Iran is a supporter of one of them.

Bobby-Veritas's Boy · 09-01-2005, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by cynic

Unless we want the mother of all suicide bombs to end on our doorstep some kind of pre-emptive strike will have to take place either from the U.S. or Israel. Of course when it happens there will be a replay scenario from the EU and the United Nations castigating the go it alone policy while dithering is held up as a solution.

I have an Irian friend who keepsup very closely with what is going on in Iran, he also visited the country last year for the first time in many years. So this is the story from the horses mouth. The regime in the country is unfair, undemocratic and corrupt. The problem is though, it's the American and British governments who are activly supporting this unjust regime, without this support and legal elections they would fall and according to my well informed information, to the delight of the population.

Tom Wilde · 09-01-2005, 03:48 PM

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Understandably, people will be concerned about this

Understatement of the year so far!

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If the Israelis want to make an airstrike like they did against Saddam's reactor decades ago, that might be okay.

I know what you mean. Even though I was dead against the recent invasion of Iraq, I did think the Israeli raid against that reactor (back in the 80s?) was spot on. Illegal? Probably. Justifiable? Yup. Impressive? Very.

However, the Iranians are less of a clear threat to Israel (even though they do back Hizbollah) and their nuclear facilities are probably much further away, making them a far more difficult objective for Israeli planes. I'd be amazed if the Israelis got involved this time.

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The problem is though, it's the American and British governments who are activly supporting this unjust regime, without this support and legal elections they would fall and according to my well informed information, to the delight of the population.

The Iranian regime is rotten, but also deeply unpopular, and when the people get a chance they vote for reformers. From news reports, my understanding was that one recent problem for the democratic opposition was embarassingly vocal support from the US. Having the US Govt as a friend is the kiss of death in many parts of the world. I think the US and UK should negotiate with Iran in an attempt to keep the nuclear situation under control, but apart from that we will probably do best to butt out and let the Iranian reformers fight their own battles. I think they will win eventually - even if it takes another ten years.

MrMoor · 10-01-2005, 06:54 PM

As far as I know the Iranian people are somewhat resentful not only of their leaders and society but also of their religion which they believe was imposed upon them by the point of a sword.

mkpdavies · 18-01-2005, 10:13 PM

Well the Iranian people are going to get some liberty soon, USA style!

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Rice insisted that the United States is preparing to refer Iran's nuclear issue to the United Nations Security Council as she accused Iran of violating its international obligations.

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/20...nt_2478791.htm

Rice said the United States has been making progress in unifying people's view of what the Iranians are doing and putting pressure on the Iranian government.

"We do work with the EU-3 (Britain, France and Germany) to try and help them formulate a strategy that would really hold Iran accountable, not just take Iran's word for it. And we have made some progress in getting people who engage in bilateral assistance with Iran to be more cognizant of some of the proliferation risks," she said. Enditem

Lafayette · 18-01-2005, 11:34 PM

You all were right. I just can't believe it. We already have two wars and this damn fool wants to start a third one. The President had an interview on the Nightly News last night and said he would give diplomacy a chance, but wouldn't rule out any "option," which means the proverbial **** is about to hit the fan. We're going broke, we don't have enough soldiers to hold down the fort in Iraq and they are actually thinking about another one. It is a nightmare.

mkpdavies · 18-01-2005, 11:52 PM

Don't worry Beckett

http://www.aberdeennews.com/mld/aber...printstory.jsp

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If a military draft becomes necessary, approximately 2,000 local and appeal boards throughout the nation would decide which young men in each community receive deferments, postponements or exemptions from military service, based on federal guidelines and community standards.

Plans are being put in place for the return of the draft. You will have all the cannon fodder you need. Money is not an issue, just keep borrowing.

It gives me no pleasure that it looks like the signs were all right. I don't think you will have the U.K. with you this time either. Good in one respect, but it will be used to force us further INTO phpbb_the EU.

1984 here we come!

mkpdavies · 29-01-2005, 02:35 AM

US jets 'flying over Iran to spot potential targets'

http://www.guardian.co.uk/iran/story...401310,00.html

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The US is increasing the pressure on Iran by sending military planes INTO phpbb_its airspace to test the country's defences and spot potential targets, according to an intelligence source in Washington.
The overflights have been reported in the Iranian press and the head of Iran's air force, Brigadier General Karim Qavami, declared recently that he had ordered his anti-aircraft batteries to shoot down any intruders, but there have been no reports of any Iranian missiles being launched.

Can you imagine the outrage if Iran sent jets INTO phpbb_US airspace.

The world has been taken over by madmen. The USA is run by nutters, and the EU is going to be just the same only worse. The only thing Orwell got wrong was the year!

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cynic Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 127	Suicide Nukes Unless we want the mother of all suicide bombs to end on our doorstep some kind of pre-emptive strike will have to take place either from the U.S. or Israel. Of course when it happens there will be a replay scenario from the EU and the United Nations castigating the go it alone policy while dithering is held up as a solution.

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10-01-2005, 06:54 PM	#6 (permalink)
MrMoor Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 259	As far as I know the Iranian people are somewhat resentful not only of their leaders and society but also of their religion which they believe was imposed upon them by the point of a sword.

18-01-2005, 11:34 PM	#8 (permalink)
Lafayette Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 114	You all were right. I just can't believe it. We already have two wars and this damn fool wants to start a third one. The President had an interview on the Nightly News last night and said he would give diplomacy a chance, but wouldn't rule out any "option," which means the proverbial **** is about to hit the fan. We're going broke, we don't have enough soldiers to hold down the fort in Iraq and they are actually thinking about another one. It is a nightmare.