Imperium

[quote=The Bear;502743]And that immediate message is that the attacker may do as he wish to his victim knowing that he will not fight back. A recipe for cowardice!

Your distinction between church goers and [true] xtians is irrelevant for they all acknowledge jesus xrist and thus are allegedly accepted by him according to the precepts of its founder.


European culture[if there is such a creature] is millenia older than the alien middle eastern religion of xtianity. Were the ancient Greeks and Celts xtian?
Was there culture any less lacking because they were not xtian?

xtianity is also an alien religion founded upon or by a semite and I find no qualative difference between the butchery and torture administered by xtians over the centuries from its more recent variant islam.

On the contrary I have shot YOU in the foot!

But according the the New Testament on which xtianity is based upon,

And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and [from] the things which are written in this book.
[Revelation 22:19]


On the contrary I have `got` the `message`. The jewish `god` worshipped by xtians exalts the scum of the earth against those who are noble in blood, mind and body. This is the very antitheis of ancient Aryan thinking which takes pleasure in the strong, the bold, the wise, the beautiful.


After 17 years of studying the bible in depth I found very little in the way of `truth` within its pages.

This desire to `convert` people is a typical semitic trait. How arrogant to assume that your collection of lies and plagiarisms known as the bible has a monopoly on `truth`. There is no difference in this kind of distorted thinking and that of radical islam.

Then there is little point in attempting to attain them then!

Which standard is this, to be struck on both cheeks and not retaliate like a coward?

The Bear

To “turn the cheek” knowing what you risk requires considerably more bravery than to just get stuck in.

The Christian God is said to “Love the sinner yet hate the sin”.

European culture TODAY has been shaped by Christianity.

Yes.

The essential difference is that whereas people who aspired to follow the teachings of Christ committed the acts of butchery and torture did what they did in contravention to the teachings of Christ the Muslims do what they do directly under the instruction and guidance of Mohamed.

Islam is NOT a variant of Christianity.

Islam is an ideology that uses parts of pre existing religions out of context, twisted, distorted, and even corrupted as the basis for what Islam actually is. Were it not that it came around 1200 years after the event it would be closer to truth to say that Islam was a variant of Nazism.


Read back, THINK, and then review that assertion.

No, Christianity is based on the teaching of Christ, NOT the New Testament.

The Bible is the outcome of the Conference of Nicea and is in essence the elements that Constantine and his complicacies considered appropriate to include in order to establish the Roman Catholic Church.

The scum of the earth, the salt of the earth, whatever. It is a religion for everyone from pauper down to king.

It provides a moral code based on cooperation, on peace, on above all else love and consideration.

To follow such teachings especially in times such as when Jesus walked the earth took far more strength, boldness, wisdom, and in so doing presenting a beauty to the world than being a powerful brutal cunning poser. [/quote]

I’m an atheist and as such have no belief in God or Gods but I DO find great truths and morality in the teaching of Jesus, not as a saviour, not as a messiah, not as the son of God, but as close to as perfect a teacher of the right and decent way to live as could be.

I am not alone in this.

The “Mathew Henry” is of help in offering comment in context. If you haven’t tried it you really might care to.

LOL! Not MY collection of lies and plagiarisms! However there is one HUGE difference between Christianity and Islam.

Christianity invites.

Islam demands.

Why not shoot for the stars if in so doing at least you get to the moon?
Better than being stuck in the bog comparing the size of ones muscles with the other reptiles!

It’s not the retaliation of a coward, if you think about it it’s the retaliation of a brave and courageous man.

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Imperium

[quote=The Bear;503436]It is the attitude of a coward who hopes that by not retaliating he won`t be struck again.
It is this mentality that causes people and peoples to be walked over.


Where in the New Testament is this stated?

One would have to define European culture before that point could be be established.

Do you not recognise how arrogant and demeaning to our ancestors that answer is?


You are obviously not familiar with the Old Testament and the savage punishments that are sanctioned by the xtian god in that part of your bible.

They are both offshoots of judaism, all three are alien religions to Europe.


The same could be said about xtianity. I recommend that you read Charles Morris` Aryan Sun Myths the Origin of Religion and The Germanization of Early Medieval Christianity by James C. Russell.

I have but you fail to understand my point.


The New[and Old] Testament is the physical expression of the Word of god and in fact is THE Word of god according to the doctrines of xtianity.
To suggest that the New Testament is not the encapsulation of the Spirit of god is blasphemy according to the doctrines of that religion.

And the position of the xtian churches is that the aforementioned conference was divinely inspired along with its decisions regarding which books, gospels and epistles should be included within the canon of scripture-god`s Word!

It is a religion that places no qualative difference between the strong and the weak, the noble and the ignoble, the wise and the foolish. It debases everything that is best in this world.

It is a moral code that promotes the ultimate failure in man, that promotes the mob above the noble man.
It is a moral code that is alien to the teachings and lore of the Aryan peoples.

Such teachings promote the denial of the Will and the enslavement of peoples.
A people who will not literally fight for its biological survival and biological prosperity deserves to perish according to the cast iron laws of nature.


Perhaps you do but you need to recognise that you are drawing inspiration from a work of fiction.

I am more than familiar with the bible having spent 17 years studying it.


If you care to study the history-the bulk of xtian history it too has always demanded!

I see nothing noble in dying the death of a thief on a tree.

To what extent will you take this moral code, to the extent of allowing your wife to be raped before your eyes? To be beaten to a bloody pulp? What will make you fight Bear?
Do you not see how ridiculour and life-denying xtianity and all the semitic religions are?

For_England

that's not really an argument - our saxon ancestors saw Christianity as a superior creed, and converted, and became literate as a result (i.e. Beowulf). If I wasn't a Christian, somehow I doubt I could find much inspiration in the old deified ancestors as the ancients did. I suppose the main problem within nationalism is where people wish to turn the clock back to. Though I admire much of the Victorian society, I'd be happy with a pre-WW2 British society. Presumably you would wish a pre-Christian Saxon society, and I can certainly sympathise with aspects of the pre-1066 tribal society.

The same that can be found in European books (the treatment of Trojan infants for example). The ancient world didn't have time for weakness, because their survival depended upon harsh reality, and the harsh reality was that Trojan (or Canaanite) children would grow up and endanger the population (and in the latter case, possibly spread stds as well). However Christianity fortunately introduced the elements of mercy and forgiveness - two concepts I think have made us better than the petty warriors Homer wrote of - though no doubt you would reject them as weaknesses.

Like many of our ancient European ancestors, I view Christianity as being delivered from the one true God of all nations, who for a time revealed himself through the nation of Israel, but later revealed himself through all people. You are familiar with ancient worship, and you must see the connections and similarities between what you label as 'semitic religions' and the worship of the ancients. Only the Israelites refused to create a pantheon of deified ancestors. Pagan systems throughout the world have very similar concepts and practices - something that puzzles many people even today. The only answer to this, I believe, is to find the roots of these practices in the early descendants of Noah, the father of the Gentile nations (as argued very ingeniously in George Stanley Faber's The Origin of Pagan Idolatry, available for viewing on Google books). Christianity is not opposed to the ancient understandings, but is the fulfilment of them, which no doubt the book on Sun Worship you recommend uses as evidence against Christianity - but you cannot simultaneously argue it's an incarnation of European paganism, sun worship, and mystery cults, and attack it for being Semitic. If God did not reveal himself to the nations through Christ, as he revealed himself to the Israelites, then I suppose you can call it semitic, but how do you explain the many points of contact with ancient pre-Christian 'pagan' religions?

They both sound interesting. Perhaps you could share some insights from these books.

You're both way off on this - Nicaea had nothing to do with the canon of scripture.

Yes, it's a religion that helps the poor and the weak, and which praises the kind of philanthropic work of people like George Muller towards the weak and helpless. But, until the advent of political correctness, it never advocated weak statehood, or allowing our people to be subject to genocide and invasion. Unfortunately though, it is now the case that political correctness has spread throughout Christianity. Churchmen in the past had no scruples in speaking about the intellectual inferiority of the negro, for example, or the philosophical poison of the Jews.

Yes. I find it interesting that the present genocidal assault upon the Western peoples in particular finds anglo-saxon, protestant Christianity to be a direct target for assault. The weakening of Christian sexual morality is destroying our people - a morality that in large part was shared by our pre-Christian forebears.

It's not something that we can have a realisation about - there is no way of proving either way that God exists or doesn't, or that the Bible is a work of fiction. Consequently we can only 'believe' our position is correct. I believe with Queen Victoria, that the Bible, and the Bible alone, was the cause of Britain's greatness, and that the neglect of it has been the cause of its decline.

The concept of self-sacrifice, I find very noble.

Who, apart from a few German anabaptists and English Quakers, have ever drawn back from the sword when necessary? Protestant Christianity is better represented by the likes of Oliver Cromwell and General Thomas 'Stonewall' Jackson.

The Bear

On turning the cheek

“It is the attitude of a coward who hopes that by not retaliating he won’t be struck again.
It is this mentality that causes people and peoples to be walked over.”

If a person does submit in the hope of stopping the beating then that might be the attitude of a coward, or it may not, depends on circumstances, it might be common sense.

On the other hand to turn the other cheek in order to show that you do not bear hatred for the person attacking you or to show that there IS another way is an act of great courage and sacrifice.

On Loving the sinner yet hating the sin.

“Where in the New Testament is this stated?

Try reading and inwardly digesting “He sent His only begotten Son”

On our European culture“

One would have to define European culture before that point could be established.

Look around you. Look at our laws, our legal systems, what we recognise as good and wholesome morality, in short, what we are when you take out the toxic invaders from the east.

On earlier cultures and is a Christian based culture superior and the answer yes

“Do you not recognise how arrogant and demeaning to our ancestors that answer is?

That is as may be. On the other hand if it IS demeaning then maybe they deserve to be demeaned when compared with our culture today.

On the acts of butchery and torture committed by Christian men in contravention to the teachings of Christ, and what the Muslims do directly under the instruction and guidance of Mohamed

“You are obviously not familiar with the Old Testament and the savage punishments that are sanctioned by the Christian god in that part of your bible.

In the first place read Jeremiah 31:31-34.

Next the Old Covenant is constantly made appropriate to modern day for Jewish people by the Torah which adopts and adapts the interpretation of The Law, a thing that Islam can never do since it is by its own definition immutable.

On the relationship between Islam, Christianity, and Judaism

“They are both offshoots of Judaism, all three are alien religions to Europe.

Not so.

Islam is better called Mohammedism (though that is a highly offensive thing say to a Muslim) since it is a cult that was invented by him using a pick and mix approach taking the bits he wanted when he wanted them to construct a foundation for the ideology he was inventing.

Try reading the background to The Satanic Verses to get a better picture of the way he played fast and loose with what he wanted and how he dropped it when it no longer suited him.

On the way that Christianity absorbed pre existing religions.

“The same could be said about xtianity. I recommend that you read Charles Morris` Aryan Sun Myths the Origin of Religion and The Germanization of Early Medieval Christianity by James C. Russell. ”

Christianity did absorb pre existing religions as it spread across the globe. It did so in order to remain relevant to people in the countries that it entered but what it did NOT do was to have the existing pagan beliefs form any part of the nature of Christianity nor use them as a goad or whip on Christians.

There is nothing Christian about a Christmas tree and nothing Christian about December 25th beyond being a date that by common agreement would be the day that the birth of Jesus was celebrated.

On whether Christianity is based on the teaching of Christ, and NOT the New Testament

“The New [and Old] Testament is the physical expression of the Word of god and in fact is THE Word of god according to the doctrines of Christianity.

To suggest that the New Testament is not the encapsulation of the Spirit of god is blasphemy according to the doctrines of that religion.”

Take the Old Covenant. In the Christian bible that comprises of the recorded word of God, and a whole lot more besides.

In the New Covenant most Christians do believe that it includes the words and deeds of Jesus and that the remainder is the inspired word of god, but that is NOT the fundamental message of Christianity.

On the conference of Nicea

“And the position of the Christian churches is that the aforementioned conference was divinely inspired along with its decisions regarding which books, gospels and epistles should be included within the canon of scripture-god`s Word! “

The Conference of Nicea has nothing to do with Christian canon.

On the essence of Christianity

“It is a religion that places no qualitative difference between the strong and the weak, the noble and the ignoble, the wise and the foolish. It debases everything that is best in this world.”

Or it raises every man to the greatest height.

On the moral code of Christianity

“It is a moral code that promotes the ultimate failure in man, that promotes the mob above the noble man.
It is a moral code that is alien to the teachings and lore of the Aryan peoples.”

Which Aryan people are these, and what exactly is this “noble man”?

Maybe you might consider the Visigoths as personifying the Aryan people, or the Vikings maybe?

If so it’s worth considering how Christianity moved them from murderous thieving savages to evolve into the people of today, civilised, law abiding, respectful and respected.

On following the teachings of Jesus taking far more strength, boldness, wisdom, and by so doing presenting a beauty to the world than being a powerful brutal cunning poser

Such teachings promote the denial of the Will and the enslavement of peoples.

A people who will not literally fight for its biological survival and biological prosperity deserves to perish according to the cast iron laws of nature.

There’s no denial of will in Christianity. In fact Christianity permits free will and in addition provides a route back from mistake.

Maybe it’s because the morality of the teaching and example of Jesus raises people above the cast iron laws of nature that provides the strength.

That the brute intent only on survival shatters when he hits a solid object, whereas in Christian morality the solid object will also be confronted and if wrong will, over a period of time, be worn away rather than be attacked head on.
It worked in the case of the Roman Empire.

On being an atheist and the perception of Christianity.

“Perhaps you do but you need to recognise that you are drawing inspiration from a work of fiction.”

Is good and sound morality any the less because it comes from a work of fiction?

On Commentaries in general and the “Mathew Henry” in particular.

I am more than familiar with the bible having spent 17 years studying it.

Then why not look also at the work of others who have studied it?

On the principle that Christianity invites and Islam demands.

“If you care to study the history-the bulk of Christian history it too has always demanded!”

Not so. People who followed so varying degrees the teachings of Jesus and especially churches that based themselves on Christianity frequently demanded, but that is categorically NOT the same as claiming that Christianity commands.
Islam does.

On trying to attain the unattainable and shooting for stars rather than remaining stuck in a bog comparing the size of ones muscles with the other reptiles!

“I see nothing noble in dying the death of a thief on a tree.”

As a sacrifice for others, I do.

Leaving that aside the issue is should one try to reach for the unattainable as at least one will go some way towards the best. I say yes.

[b]On turning the cheek being the act of a coward.[/B

]“To what extent will you take this moral code, to the extent of allowing your wife to be raped before your eyes? To be beaten to a bloody pulp? What will make you fight Bear?
Do you not see how ridiculous and life-denying Christianity and all the Semitic religions are?”

LOL! Anyone who raped MY wife better be ready for a long period of hospitalisation being treated for frost bite! As for beating her to a pulp, you’ve obviously no idea just what a formidable woman she is!

Many a person’s looked at her and whispered “Cor! Is that ever a woman!” and not out of desire, but simply as a general question!

But to be serious, no, I would not, but then, I’m not a Christian and my guess is that most Christian people would not do so either.

But that does not mean that if she were a Christian and her husband were a Christian she would want him to intervene, especially if in so doing it placed him in jeopardy.

You see that is the essential element of Christianity. Self sacrificing love.

I really would be interested in comments from observant Christians who might be bothered to have read these exchanges on my Atheist view of Christian principles.

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Imperium

[quote=For_England;503827]Our ancestors were forced to convert at the point of the sword or are you trying to rewrite history to gloss this fact over?
Widukind, Saxon leader. The Columbia Encyclopedia, Sixth Edition. 2001-07

But by clinging to the dead and alien religion of xtianity surely you are guilty of trying to turn the clock back?


I fail to see how allowing life which is unworthy of life to thrive benefits the gene pool in any way?

You have hit the nail on the head! A semitic desert tribal deity has been transformed into a universal god! Do you not see how ridiculous that sounds?

On the contrary they were originally a polytheistic people and jehovah was just one of many gods.

xtianity is a plagiaristic religion and lacks any originality. I will choose whether I honour the gods of my Aryan forefathers or bow the knee like a slave before an alien semitic tribal god.

Your jesus is a literary construcy with a jewish lineage and upbringing. He has no relevance for Aryan man now or in the past.

It is a religion that places no difference between jew and Greek and thus has no problem at all with race-mixing which is the greatest danger our people face today.

Yes. I find it interesting that the present genocidal assault upon the Western peoples in particular finds anglo-saxon, protestant Christianity to be a direct target for assault. The weakening of Christian sexual morality is destroying our people - a morality that in large part was shared by our pre-Christian forebears.


The bible is a work of fiction and replete with errors. I see no difference at all between it and Grimm`s Fairytales except the latter is an expression of Aryo-Germanic culture whilst the former is alien and foreign to our peoples.


Self-sacrifice is only noble for a worthy cause! Dying for a vicious Aryan-hating jewish desert psychotic tribal god is not noble but ignoble and a waste of time.


Your religion caused the elimination of 1/3 of the German population during the Thirty Years War and countless other deaths throughout its tyrannical reign in Europe. It has poisoned the blood of our people and caused the deaths and torture of the finest specimens of our race.

g hall

It would be nice if both the practising Christians and Muslims read the words correctly and got it right and stopped KILLING people


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Imperium

[quote=The Bear;503909]On turning the cheek

A coward`s charter if ever I saw one.

I would bear hatred, extreme hatred and this emotion is something to be welcomed and nurtured. Hatred has served as well for countless millenia as a survival mechanim. What a pity that the indigenous peoples of Britain have been so brainwashed by the champagne bolshevists that now misrule this country that they dare not hate! Without hate they will never be roused to do something and start to resist the invasion of their country by the refuse of the world.

"He" never "sent" anyone: "he" does not exist. Save your xtian brainwashing for people who care!


Would these be the same laws and legal systems that prevent European people from debating the holohaux and expressing dissent against the invasion of their lands by the hordes of the Third World and our slow genocide?

Again how arrogant! You support the notion of xtianity being a superior religion and for this reason I have to question supposed atheism: it is barely skin deep.

xtianity also adapted its scriptures to support widespread persecution of any kind of dissenters, whether they be "heathens", "heretics" or wise women.
xtianity has caused far more bloodletting of the Aryan peoples than islam ever had or ever will.
Furthermore its sickly precepts have acted as a poison in the blood of our people but now that xtianity is dying people are beginning to wake up.


I am not here to defend islam. It is another branch of the same alien and rotten semitic tree.


Anything to win a soul and make a fast buck, eh?

Don`t assume that because people acknowledge Yule that this is in any way an acknowledgement of your jesus-it isn`t. The Yule festival was celebrated by various Aryan peoples before jesus was a twinkle in his teenage mother`s eye!


But you acknowledge that the books from Genesis to Revelation incorporate the inviolable word of the xtian god?
The very book that calls for the extermination of witches?


xtians would have us think that as it would draw a huge question mark about the legitimacy of the canon of scripture. Not surprisingly you support this notion.
I suggest you peruse S.Acharya`s excellent site and study her books.


Just as their is a hierarchy in the animal kingdom so there is a hierarchy between men based on blood, strength and intelligence.
Nature does not recognise the false notion of equality.


The terms Aryan and noble are self-explanatory. I suggest that you study my blogs should you wish to seek more information or enlightenment on the issue!



Both these Germanic peoples were of course Aryan.

Or emasculated them so that they now lack the will to resist their own biological decay!
You clearly have never studied the histories and accomplishments of these peoples or you would not have made such an uninformed comment.
Many European nations have been formed and shaped by these so-called "savages" before their unfortunate forced conversion to the xtian religion.

Hardly, like islam it promotes the concept of slavery to an alien semitic god.
Epaphras, who is [one] of you, a servant of Christ, saluteth you, always labouring fervently for you in prayers, that ye may stand perfect and complete in all the will of God.
[Col 4:12]The New Testament is full of such talk about subjecting one`s own will to conform to the will of God.

Man is part of nature. What makes xtianity unnatural is its constant teaching that we should seperate ourselves from nature. It seeks to place an artificial divide between man and the natural world.
The Roman Empire collapsed through a multitude of reasons. Basically it became weak and fell a prey to the stronger and more virile Germanic peoples.


And should people be executed for denying any aspect of a work of fiction?

I have done so and see no reason to waste another 17 years vainly studying it.

[The churches demanded and so do their scriptures!

And we have confidence in the Lord touching you, that ye both do and will do the things which we command you.
[2 Th 3:4]

The bible is replete with demands and