Westcountryman

You won't ever catch me living under Sharia law.

If Muslims or others choose to be voluntarily bound by such 'courts', then so be it.

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The Bear

You may think you are not be living under sharia law but you’re certainly “subjugated” by Islam.

Every time that something is done so as not to “offend” Islam you and I are being “subjugated”. Every time some doctor or nurse in our hospitals refuses to use alcohol based disinfectant, every time they refuse to use soap that may have been in any way “contaminated” with pork derivatives, every time some nurse refuses to work with bare arms, every time some pharmacist refuses to process a prescription for contraceptives or the morning after pill, every time that a supermarket check out woman refuses to process a sale of alcohol and calls some one else over to do so, every time that you hear the name “Muslim Parliament of Britain” and don’t object, every time you …. The list just goes on and on.

Not subjected to sharia law? Are you sure? How about the extra taxes you and I pay so that a Muslim man can have multiple wives and multiple kids under protection of sharia when the same man if he were not able to claim protection would be prosecuted for bigamy? And there’s more besides the obvious once you scrape the surface.

Not living under sharia? Not subjugated?

Not many.

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Independent Working Class

Do you REALLY believe that the muslims that live in such 'communities' (hate that word) have the freedom of choice on the subject? I wonder what would happen to a muslim that refused to play ball with their 'voluntary scheme' and went to use the dhimmi's legal system.

Imperium

In England the rate of church attendance is around 6% which makes it a minority religion.
Apart from church attendance I fail to see how else you could possibly measure its rate of growth or decline.

Imperium

Possibly due to Polish migrant workers?

Imperium

How does this differ to the history of xtianity?

Smidgey

Atheists don't need to explain what happened before the big bang. All one can say is that "we cannot know". It would be wrong to suppose anything until it had been shown to be the case.

What soul? The person who believes in this so-called soul cannot explain it either. The fact is, it happens. Further, certain parts of the brain have been shown to light up (for example, the emotion regions light up when one makes a moral judgement), this would lead one to indicate that the brain at least plays an important role. Positing a soul as an explanation is not only a non-explanation, but is a burden on our ontology.

Absense of evidence is not evidence of absense. This works both ways. Not to mention, an atheist should not be making positive claims on such things like what came before the big bang (hypothesising is fine, making truth-based claims is another). The religionist does the latter - this is their problem.

Whether this was true or not would be irrelevant to the arguments you are commenting on above.

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rjt

You are talking about Sunday attendance I assume? In which case with the greatest respect there is a little more to Church attendance let alone all the other ways people are involved in there churches than that.

I am the first to recognise that regular Sunday attendance has fallen although it has held reasonbly steady since the Millenum.


By what do you classify COE by the way, are you just talking about what one might term a traditional anglican church or are you including the wider anglican community?

I think with respect you ought to make these things clear before making bland statements like you have here.

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The Bear

First of all there is the world of difference between Christianity as a way that Christ taught that life should be lived, and the various religions that were founded ON Christianity, especially those that in practice were miles away from the teachings of Christ.

The HISTORY of the religions, especially the history of the Roman Catholic Church, is at times a very unpleasant thing to examine, on the other hand in all cases it was and remains the power brokers of “R_C_Church.org”, as well as people who misunderstood Christianity that were the root of the evil that WAS done.

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Imperium

[quote=rjt;502034]Church attendance is the only measure that we have of the size and growth rate of a xtian church, unless you can think of a more reliable indicator?
[I notice that you haven`t provided one!]
If you were to base it on actual church membership the figure would be even lower than 6%!
xtianity is in terminal decline and that is not a bad thing in my view.


The millenium is only 7-8 years ago. You need to take a wider measure in time than that!

I am referring to the churches collectively, not just the Church of England.
BBC NEWS | UK | Minorities prop up church-going


There was nothng bland about the statement-it was a statement based purely on fact.