The Bear

Two separate issues. The Flood story, a myth and probably the recording of a catastrophic event from the distant past that was absorbed into religion to add weight to the “proof” that the religion had it right.

There’s an interesting article on the subject here CNN.com - Undersea explorer finds new evidence of great flood - September 13, 2000

As for the Histories and the major and twelve minor prophets, including Lamentations and Baruch, these need to be seen in context and also a vague history.

Just as histories today are written by victors such was also the case “back in the day” and the “power” of God in my opinion was proved by the victories rather than the victories being as a result of that power and so in that I think we may be in broad agreement.

As to how that assumption was then used in the development of people and how the stories were included in the Bible to strengthen the validity of the whole package by Constantine, that’s another matter.

What is NOT is that taking the teaching and example of Jesus, be he man of flesh or theoretical representation of perfection, in my opinion THAT is unquestionably as fine a source of the best way for man to live as there can be and judging from the overall benefit that Christianity has provided for Europe it’s not just my opinion, it’s right in practice.

There is no “Right” in might as you imply. The “Right” is in what IS right. Right for mankind.

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Imperium

Honour demands that you strike him back. This would make him think twice about engaging in an unprovoked assault in the future!


I would feel just fine thanks!

Hatred is a very human emotion. How thus can a human emotion dehumanise one?


Have you ever engaged in a street fight?
At the moment of attack one simply does not have the time to engage in philosophising. One must act quickly and instinctively as a matter of survival.




No you didn`t: I am still waiting for the biblical reference!

The "Shoa"? You seem to know and use the terminology so I must ask the obvious question[it could explain a lot], are you jewish?
Why is it "right to have laws in many countries against denying what took place?" If the jews are so confident in their facts then why should it be necessary to imprison 67 year old historians? Why not simply engage them in debate as people are engaged in debate over other aspects of history?
Why is it necessary to resort to the methods of the Inquisition to repress dissent from orthodox opinion?
Why is this the only alleged historical event that can never be questioned?
Why is seeking to have a homeland for one`s own people free from alien invasion to be interpreted as "incitement to race hatred"?


But by arguing that "Christian culture" is superior to others one is surely not only being arrogant but one is promoting the concept that the xtian religion is thus superior to all others? Are you saying now that it isn`t?
The present society that we live in is decadent and self-destructive and yet built upon "Christian morality and ethics."
How do you reconcile this?
By using your logic it could be argued that the same argument could be applied to islam, communism and National Socialism?

One should have love for one`s own kind, one`s own race and people. By showing love to the hordes of Asia and Africa one is permitting and participating in the genocide of one`s own race and people.


I doubt that you have ever examined islam or xtianity for that matter or you would have seen that both owe their very existence to judaism. Both are alien semitic religions that have no place-like judaism in the Aryan world.
Their influence is corrupting and a threat to our continuing biological existence.
I seek not to defend islam but hold it along with xtianity and judaism in utter contempt.


The vast majority of people who acknowledge xtmas or Yule do so in complete or partial ignorance of its origins. A genuin xtian would and should know that he is participating in a pre-xtian festival and does so voluntarily.
So much for his religion!




See my earlier question, are you jewish?



Whether you be jewish or xtian or not you nevertheless defend both and I thus cannot consider you as a genuine atheist.

I regard many animals of far higher worth than a significant number of humans.
If it was a choice between saving a healthy and useful animal above a sick, diseased or degenerate human I would do so gladly.



A gene pool does not survive and prosper by promoting the existence and reproduction of its weaker and degenate elements. Just as dogs and race horses are bred for superior offspring so should humans be.
When are you going to realise that society is no longer xtian? Only a small minority of people in England belong to the xtian religion and that number is falling each year.
As a great man once said "Let xtianity die a natural death."



The concept of the Aryan predates the ideology of National Socialism.
Whether you acknowledge it or not but the concept does not stand or fall on your opinion.
Rather than debase my blogs why don`t you debate some of my work with me?



Again, typical xtian arrogance. No wonder people hold your religion in contempt!

Imperium

The same thing could be said about islam and the alleged "holocaust"!
How convenient for you!

Imperium

[quote=The Bear;504831]See Juergen Spanuth`s Atlantis of the North.
I do not question whether such an event occurred I am instead dissecting the character of the god that you defend so adeptly on this forum whilst claiming to be an atheist.

Yes and the history of WWII and the holocaust was also written by the victors!
"Undoubtedly the Black Magic of the Christ Myth, combined with the subterranean sorcery of medieval sacerdotalism has partially succeeded, not only in sapping individual initiative, but also in suppressing in our Race many of its ancestral leonine traits and superb Barbarian Virtues. But as yet, it has not wholly triumphed in its emasculating necromancy. No! it has not transfigured us all into teams of contented oxen and bunches of earmarked sheep, although that is its final hope. There are some of the grand old stock, left alive. Few indeed are they amidst a world of slaves and swine.

The lion is still the lion, although his teeth have been most foully filed down by abominable moral codes; his skin made scrofulous with the mange and leprosy of caged peacefulness-his paws fettered by links of slave-voted statutes and an iron collar of State Officialism wound around his regal neck."
[Might is Right by Ragnar Redbeard]

See my above quotation!

For_England

You raise interesting points, and it certainly is very wrong that the supposed 'free world' has created a class of dissidents who can be imprisoned etc for questioning historical events. I only ask because I read Germar Rudolf a while back (the only 'denier' I've ever read) and was surprised by the apparent strength of some of his arguments. I don't know what to think.

For_England

The story of the a worldwide flood is found in ancient people's across the globe, which I find quite remarkable. The gods of the anglo-saxons are part of a pantheon also reduplicated across the world, and I have reason to believe that Woden was actually the same as Pan and Hercules - i.e. a black African, a representation of Nimrod. As much as I am a nationalist, I am also part of the human family, and I believe that true nationalism simply wishes to live among its own people, and does not wish to take over the world or engage in genocide. As a Christian, I believe that God will have nations, tongues and tribes, from all over the world, in the new heaven and earth - but they will each have the integrity of their own identity intact.

g hall

It's all about interpretation and the fact that some people use religion to bolster their own position and enhance their power
Same with other sects and cults the sooner the human race grows up and leaves superstition behind the better

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"This is a sharp Medicine, but it is a Physician for all diseases and miseries".
"To be "matter of fact" about the world is to blunder into fantasy --and dull fantasy at that, as the real world is strange and wonderful."
Remember TANSTAAFL and TANJ

The Bear

“Honour demands that you strike him back. This would make him think twice about engaging in an unprovoked assault in the future!”
Christian honour asks, not demands, Christianity demands nothing, it asks. In this case it asks that you do not. By so doing you are witnessing to the goodness of your beliefs.
What you miss in this, just as you miss so much in so many things, is the allegorical aspects to the subject.
The “turn the other cheek” needs to be read together with what was also being said at the time and the circumstances, the Sermon on the Mount.
The “turn the cheek” was said in connection with the Iron Rule. It moved the limits of traditional Judaism of the day to align closer with a much more inclusive code of conduct. (I wonder if you realise that The Iron Rule was not quite what people so often take it to be!)
Remember, in the past much of Jewish law and tradition had been to do with retaining the exclusivity of Judaism, a very necessary thing during the period from the exodus from Egypt through strange lands and encountering novel religions and practices that stood a good chance of diluting or even disintegrating the Tribes and their beliefs as they traveled.
Times and circumstances had changed when Jesus came on the scene, a settled homeland had been established, contact was now being made with other peoples on the basis of trade more than conflict, and the same exclusivity that had bound the Tribes together was now proving to be a barrier to The tribes hence Jesus provided an “update” on how to act and be accepted as partners and not opponents.
Mathew 5 reports Jesus as saying a great deal about how to deal with others and contains far more than just The Beatitudes, the thing that most people associate with it.
Let’s just look at Matthew 5:39, and in particular the first part of the verse.
“But I say unto you, that ye resist not evil”
THAT is the crux of the message.
It does not say resist from doing evil, it does not say resist evil by force, as to do so might / would potentially require a greater evil in order to achieve, it simply says resist not evil.
To emphasise the point Jesus then continues with the turning of the cheek bit in order to absolutely emphasise not to try to fight evil with evil and so present the opportunity for evil in people to be dissipated by encountering a greater goodness in others.
A good morality, morality that is not just Christian but absolute.
See what I mean about needing to look beyond the obvious?

On hatred
Quote
“Hatred is a very human emotion. How thus can a human emotion dehumanise one?”
No, hatred is a savage emotion. Overcoming savagery is a thing to be desired.

“Have you ever engaged in a street fight?
At the moment of attack one simply does not have the time to engage in philosophising. One must act quickly and instinctively as a matter of survival.”
I’ve engaged in a damm sight more than a street fight!

On loving the simmer yet hating the sin.

Quote
“No you didn’t: I am still waiting for the biblical reference!”
Yes I did. I left you to find the chapter and verse but since you did not try John 3:16

On European laws and legality

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“The "Shoa"? You seem to know and use the terminology so I must ask the obvious question[it could explain a lot ], are you jewish?”
No, just rather well educated.

On holocaust denial
”Why is it "right to have laws in many countries against denying what took place?" If the jews are so confident in their facts then why should it be necessary to imprison 67 year old historians? Why not simply engage them in debate as people are engaged in debate over other aspects of history?
It’s right to legislate against liars denying the attempt at genocide conducted by the Nazi filth, as liars get believed by the sad, mad, and bad who WANT to believe them, and distributed as fact to stir up hatred by those who want to stir up hatred.
“Why is it necessary to resort to the methods of the Inquisition to repress dissent from orthodox opinion?
Why is this the only alleged historical event that can never be questioned?”
Can’t say that I’ve seen a latter day Torquemada getting involved in the recent trials of the filth and fools who seek to deny the undeniable! On the other hand most of them deserve to be at the very least “Shown The Instruments” and preferably introduced to them by demonstration.
When the undeniable is questioned then the motives behind the questioning must be scurrilous if the subject is a thing so awful and more to the point admitted to by those who engaged in it..
In addition it is a shameful hurt on the survivors of the Shoa to question the event, and a huge disrespect for all of the innocent victims of the terrible crime.
It is also an injustice on the descendents of the German people who have admitted the sins that were done and have done, and continue to do so much to show genuine remorse for what so many of their fathers did.

On defending exclusivity of a homeland
”Why is seeking to have a homeland for one’s own people free from alien invasion to be interpreted as "incitement to race hatred"?”
It’s not. On the other hand when the things done to try to protect society stray into creating racial tension or hatred that is another matter.
It’s also worthwhile noting that the British are a mongrel race and some individuals more mongrel than others, especially those who deny their mongrel bloodline. 

On earlier cultures and Christian based culture being superior.

Quote]

“But by arguing that "Christian culture" is superior to others one is surely not only being arrogant but one is promoting the concept that the Christian religion is thus superior to all others?
Are you saying now that it isn’t?”

Start out by deleting the word “now”, as otherwise that implies that in the past I did.

To assume that a culture that is based on Christian morality is superior to those of the past means that the Christian religion is superior is flawed logic. In my opinion it probably is in the majority of cases, but that is a subjective judgment on my part.

I have no doubt there have been religions that have shared all of the Christian ethics and good morality, but in the paradigm that you have used where “Might Makes Right” a culture based on Christian values is far and away superior.


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”The present society that we live in is decadent and self-destructive and yet built upon "Christian morality and ethics."
How do you reconcile this?”

Just because a thing has been built on an ethical foundation does not mean it continues for all time to retain those ethical values. Todays society would improve no end if there was a swing towards Christian values and ethics.


On the use of Scripture to justify butchery and torture

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“By using your logic it could be argued that the same argument could be applied to islam, communism and National Socialism?”
Certainly not to islam and Nazism, in both cases the closer an adherent to comes to sticking to the rules of either of those ideologies the more uncivilised he becomes.
In the case of communism, although it is fatally flawed as it relies on the inherent goodness of man and the overthrow of Market Forces, there is much in communism that is good in theory. Shame about the practice though.
Quote]
“One should have love for one’s own kind, one’s own race and people. By showing love to the hordes of Asia and Africa one is permitting and participating in the genocide of one’s own race and people.”
But we are all one people. It matters not if people are from any country or race, we are all human beings.
Look, you and I are no worse than the African in his kraal on the veldt, we are no worse than the Australian aborigine in his village in The Outback, we are no worse than the Inuit in his ice shelter on the shoreline, we are no worse than the Indigenous South American in his tree house in the Amazon, BUT WE ARE NO BETTER.
Our societies are different, I would argue strongly that the European Christian bases societies are the finest there have ever been, and we have different strengths and we also have different weaknesses, ALL OF US.
But above all else there is no such thing as a absolute Master Race.

On the relationship between Islam and Christianity and Judaism.
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“I doubt that you have ever examined Islam or Christianity for that matter or you would have seen that both owe their very existence to Judaism.”
Christianity derives from Judaism but Islam does not.
Islam is an ideology based on a cult that makes use of distorted snippets taken from Judaism and Christianity and elsewhere.
“Both are alien Semitic religions that have no place-like Judaism in the Aryan world.”
This “Aryan World”, the savagery early Europe, that you write of is no more. It ceased to be when a better culture replaced it, that of Christianity.
“Their influence is corrupting and a threat to our continuing biological existence.
I seek not to defend islam but hold it along with Christianity and Judaism in utter contempt.”
That is of course your prerogative and although for very good and justifiable reasons I also am contemptuous about Islam I totally disagree about either Christian or Jewish cultures being either corrupting or a threat to our continuing biological existence. I find the very idea bizarre.

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“The vast majority of people who acknowledge Christmas or Yule do so in complete or partial ignorance of its origins. A genuine Christian would and should know that he is participating in a pre-Christian festival and does so voluntarily.
So much for his religion!”
I remember in my childhood the idea of a Christmas tree was a complete no – no as far as my parents were concerned for precisely that reason.
On the other hand if a common or garden Christian family, say C of E, celebrate Christmas and see their tree just as a bit of “doing the house up” with no associations with Yule, how can it be that they are engaging in a Pagan rite? The tree is nothing more than a further reminder of the time, the time for them is the celebration of the birth of Christ.


On Milches and Fleshes
Quote

“See my earlier question, are you Jewish?”
No, just well educated.


On the legitimacy of Canon of Scripture and Nicea
“Whether you be Jewish or Christian or not you nevertheless defend both and I thus cannot consider you as a genuine atheist.”
Why? Is it so impossible in your mind to defend the defensible without being committed to it yourself?
It’s not that I’m defending the existence of a living God, all I’m doing is defending the principle of and morality of the people who do.

On the essence of Christianity

Quote
“I regard many animals of far higher worth than a significant number of humans.
If it was a choice between saving a healthy and useful animal above a sick, diseased or degenrate human I would do so gladly.”
Though I also have a higher opinion of many animals over many humans as regards making a choice in extremis, that says a very great deal about you. None of it good.


On humanity
Quote:

“A gene pool does not survive and prosper by promoting the existence and reproduction of its weaker and degenerate elements. Just as dogs and race horses are bred for superior offspring so should humans be.”
To tamper with nature is a very dangerous thing to do. We have evolved to where we have by allowing natural selection to do the culling on Darwinian principles.
Who could say what is weak or degenerate today may not be a survival trait for where we are continuing to evolve towards? On a macro scale Nature has proved to be rather good at cleansing hives. Better to leave it to her.

On Christian society
”When are you going to realise that society is no longer Christian? Only a small minority of people in England belong to the Christian religion and that number is falling each year.
As a great man once said "Let Christianity die a natural death."
Society does not need to be Christian, society needs to continue to generally abide by Christian morality and ethics.


On the Aryan

Quote:

“The concept of the Aryan predates the ideology of National Socialism.
Whether you acknowledge it or not but the concept does not stand or fall on your opinion.
Rather than debase my blogs why don’t you debate some of my work with me?”

I am doing. In any case you don’t understand the full meaning of or full implications of The Aryan Race. You only see the trivial aspects to it .

Quote

“ (quote by The Bear)

I’ve now run out of time and to be frank run out of patience.
My opinions about the essential differences between Christianity and Christian churches I have expressed, my contempt for the “Right of Might” I hope is self evident, you are you, I am I, the world is made up of people having different views no matter how wrong yours may be! (end of quote by The Bear)

Again, typical Christian arrogance. No wonder people hold your religion in contempt!”

There you go again with “my” religion. It’s NOT my religion, it doesn’t need to be. I don’t need to be Christian to recognise that the morality expressed in the words and actions of Jesus are a model that can’t be beaten.

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The Bear

The following is a tidy up of my preceding post ----- (the edit function timed out!)

“Honour demands that you strike him back. This would make him think twice about engaging in an unprovoked assault in the future!”

Christian honour asks, not demands, Christianity demands nothing, it asks. In this case it asks that you do not. By so doing you are witnessing to the goodness of your beliefs.

What you miss in this, just as you miss so much in so many things, is the allegorical aspects to the subject.

The “turn the other cheek” needs to be read together with what was also being said at the time and the circumstances, the Sermon on the Mount.

The “turn the cheek” was said in connection with the Iron Rule. It moved the limits of traditional Judaism of the day to align closer with a much more inclusive code of conduct. (I wonder if you realise that The Iron Rule was not quite what people so often take it to be!)

Remember, in the past much of Jewish law and tradition had been to do with retaining the exclusivity of Judaism, a very necessary thing during the period of the exodus from Egypt through strange lands and encountering novel religions and practices that stood a good chance of diluting or even disintegrating the Tribes and their beliefs as they traveled.

Times and circumstances had changed when Jesus came on the scene, a settled homeland had been established, contact was now being made with other peoples on the basis of trade more than conflict, and the same exclusivity that had bound the Tribes together was now proving to be a barrier to The Tribes, hence Jesus provided an “update” on how to act and be accepted as partners and not opponents as well as within The Tribes to match the social evoloution that had taken place.

Mathew 5 reports Jesus as saying a great deal about how to deal with others and contains far more than just The Beatitudes, the thing that most people associate with it.

Let’s just look at Matthew 5:39, and in particular the first part of the verse.

“But I say unto you, that ye resist not evil”

THAT is the crux of the message.

It does not say resist from not doing evil, it does say do not resist evil by force, as to do so might / would potentially require a greater evil in order to achieve success, and so it simply says resist not evil.

To emphasise the point Jesus then continues with the turning of the cheek bit in order to absolutely emphasise not to try to fight evil with evil and so present the opportunity for evil in people to be dissipated by encountering a greater goodness in others.

A good morality, morality that is not just Christian but absolute.

See what I mean about needing to look beyond the obvious?

On hatred

Quote

“Hatred is a very human emotion. How thus can a human emotion dehumanise one?”

No, hatred is a savage emotion. Overcoming savagery is a thing to be desired.

Quote]

“Have you ever engaged in a street fight?
At the moment of attack one simply does not have the time to engage in philosophising. One must act quickly and instinctively as a matter of survival.”

I’ve engaged in a damm sight more than a street fight!


On loving the simmer yet hating the sin.

Quote

“No you didn’t: I am still waiting for the biblical reference!”

Yes I did. I left you to find the chapter and verse but since you did not try John 3:16


On European laws and legality

Quote

“The "Shoa"? You seem to know and use the terminology so I must ask the obvious question[it could explain a lot ], are you jewish?”

No, just rather well educated.


On holocaust denial

Quote]

”Why is it "right to have laws in many countries against denying what took place?" If the jews are so confident in their facts then why should it be necessary to imprison 67 year old historians? Why not simply engage them in debate as people are engaged in debate over other aspects of history?

It’s right to legislate against liars denying the attempt at genocide conducted by the Nazi filth, as liars get believed by the sad, mad, and bad who WANT to believe them, and distributed as fact to stir up hatred by those who want to stir up hatred.

Quote]

“Why is it necessary to resort to the methods of the Inquisition to repress dissent from orthodox opinion?
Why is this the only alleged historical event that can never be questioned?”

Can’t say that I’ve seen a latter day Torquemada getting involved in the recent trials of the filth and fools who seek to deny the undeniable!

On the other hand most of them deserve to be at the very least “Shown The Instruments” and preferably introduced to them by demonstration.

When the undeniable is questioned then the motives behind the questioning must be scurrilous if the subject is a thing so awful and more to the point admitted to by those who engaged in it.

In addition it is a shameful hurt on the survivors of the Shoa to question the event, and a huge disrespect for all of the innocent victims of the terrible crime.

It is also an injustice on the descendents of the German people who did what they did and have admitted the sins that were done, and continue to do so much to show genuine remorse for what so many of their fathers did.


On defending exclusivity of a homeland

Quote

”Why is seeking to have a homeland for one’s own people free from alien invasion to be interpreted as "incitement to race hatred"?”

It’s not. On the other hand when the things done to try to protect society stray into creating racial tension or hatred that is another matter.

It’s also worthwhile noting that the British are a mongrel race and some individuals more mongrel than others, especially those who deny their mongrel bloodline.


On earlier cultures and Christian based culture being superior.

Quote]

“But by arguing that "Christian culture" is superior to others one is surely not only being arrogant but one is promoting the concept that the Christian religion is thus superior to all others?
Are you saying now that it isn’t?”

Start out by deleting the word “now”, as otherwise that implies that in the past I did.

To assume that a culture that is based on Christian morality is superior to those of the past means that the Christian religion is superior is flawed logic. In my opinion it probably is in the majority of cases, but that is a subjective judgment on my part.

I have no doubt there have been religions that have shared all of the Christian ethics and good morality, but in the paradigm that you have used where “Might Makes Right” a culture based on Christian values is far and away superior.


Quote

”The present society that we live in is decadent and self-destructive and yet built upon "Christian morality and ethics."
How do you reconcile this?”

Just because a thing has been built on an ethical foundation does not mean it continues for all time to retain those ethical values. Todays society would improve no end if there was a swing towards Christian values and ethics.


On the use of Scripture to justify butchery and torture

Quote:

“By using your logic it could be argued that the same argument could be applied to islam, communism and National Socialism?”

Certainly not to islam and Nazism, in both cases the closer an adherent to comes to sticking to the rules of either of those ideologies the more uncivilised he becomes.

In the case of communism, although it is fatally flawed as it relies on the inherent goodness of man and the overthrow of Market Forces, there is much in communism that is good in theory. Shame about the practice though.

On exclusivity of race "purity"

Quote]

“One should have love for one’s own kind, one’s own race and people. By showing love to the hordes of Asia and Africa one is permitting and participating in the genocide of one’s own race and people.”

But we are all one people. It matters not if people are from any country or race, we are all human beings.

Look, you and I are no worse than the African in his kraal on the veldt, we are no worse than the Australian aborigine in his village in The Outback, we are no worse than the Inuit in his ice shelter on the shoreline, we are no worse than the Indigenous South American in his tree house in the Amazon, BUT WE ARE NO BETTER.

Our societies are different, I would argue strongly that the European Christian bases societies are the finest there have ever been, and we have different strengths and we also have different weaknesses, ALL OF US.

But above all else there is no such thing as a absolute Master Race.


On the relationship between Islam and Christianity and Judaism.

Quote

“I doubt that you have ever examined Islam or Christianity for that matter or you would have seen that both owe their very existence to Judaism.”

Christianity derives from Judaism but Islam does not.

Islam is an ideology based on a cult that makes use of distorted snippets taken from Judaism and Christianity and elsewhere.

Quote]

“Both are alien Semitic religions that have no place-like Judaism in the Aryan world.”

This “Aryan World”, the savagery early Europe, that you write of is no more. It ceased to be when a better culture replaced it, that of Christianity.

Quote]

“Their influence is corrupting and a threat to our continuing biological existence.
I seek not to defend islam but hold it along with Christianity and Judaism in utter contempt.”

That is of course your prerogative and although for very good and justifiable reasons I also am contemptuous about Islam I totally disagree about either Christian or Jewish cultures being either corrupting or a threat to our continuing biological existence. I find the very idea bizarre.

On Christianity and Paganism intertwining

Quote:

“The vast majority of people who acknowledge Christmas or Yule do so in complete or partial ignorance of its origins. A genuine Christian would and should know that he is participating in a pre-Christian festival and does so voluntarily.
So much for his religion!”

I remember in my childhood the idea of a Christmas tree was a complete no–no as far as my parents were concerned for precisely that reason.

On the other hand if a common or garden Christian family, say C of E, celebrate Christmas and see their tree just as a bit of “doing the house up” with no associations with Yule, how can it be that they are engaging in a Pagan rite? The tree is nothing more than a further reminder of the time, the time for them is the celebration of the birth of Christ.


On Milches and Fleshes

Quote

“See my earlier question, are you Jewish?”

No, just well educated.


On the legitimacy of Canon of Scripture and Nicea

Quote

“Whether you be Jewish or Christian or not you nevertheless defend both and I thus cannot consider you as a genuine atheist.”

Why? Is it so impossible in your mind to defend the defensible without being committed to it yourself?
It’s not that I’m defending the existence of a living God, all I’m doing is defending the principle of and morality of the people who do.

On the essence of Christianity

Quote

“I regard many animals of far higher worth than a significant number of humans.
If it was a choice between saving a healthy and useful animal above a sick, diseased or degenrate human I would do so gladly.”

Though I also have a higher opinion of many animals over many humans as regards making a choice in extremis, that says a very great deal about you. None of it good.


On humanity and Eugenics

Quote:

“A gene pool does not survive and prosper by promoting the existence and reproduction of its weaker and degenerate elements. Just as dogs and race horses are bred for superior offspring so should humans be.”

To tamper with nature is a very dangerous thing to do. We have evolved to where we have by allowing natural selection to do the culling on Darwinian principles.

Who could say what is weak or degenerate today may not be a survival trait for where we are continuing to evolve towards? On a macro scale Nature has proved to be rather good at cleansing hives. Better to leave it to her.

On Christian society

Quote

”When are you going to realise that society is no longer Christian? Only a small minority of people in England belong to the Christian religion and that number is falling each year.
As a great man once said "Let Christianity die a natural death."

Society does not need to be Christian, society needs to continue to generally abide by Christian morality and ethics.


On the Aryan

Quote:

“The concept of the Aryan predates the ideology of National Socialism.
Whether you acknowledge it or not but the concept does not stand or fall on your opinion.
Rather than debase my blogs why don’t you debate some of my work with me?”

I am doing. In any case you don’t understand the full meaning of or full implications of The Aryan Race. You only see the trivial aspects to it .


On assumed Christian arrogance

Quote

“ (quote by The Bear)

I’ve now run out of time and to be frank run out of patience.
My opinions about the essential differences between Christianity and Christian churches I have expressed, my contempt for the “Right of Might” I hope is self evident, you are you, I am I, the world is made up of people having different views no matter how wrong yours may be! (end of quote by The Bear)

Again, typical Christian arrogance. No wonder people hold your religion in contempt!”

There you go again with “my” religion. It’s NOT my religion, it doesn’t need to be. I don’t need to be Christian to recognise that the morality expressed in the words and actions of Jesus are a model that can’t be beaten.

__________________
I am an old man. I have eaten much salt.

Smidgey

There is no doubt in my mind that it is better than Islamic morality. But to say that it 'can't be beaten' is extremely optimistic. Many of the moral rules that Jesus gives are rather primitive and in some cases can lead to immoral action. Furthermore, Jesus himself did some things I would consider to be extremely immoral. The morality of Christianity can be easily beaten, but certainly not as easily as the morality of Islam.

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How vain is man, who boasts in fight the valour of gigantic might!

-Georg Friedrich Händel