More practising Muslims than Christians in UK of 2035

g hall · 24-05-2008, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Imperium

On the contrary they have got it right!
You have obviously never read the bible!

Thou shalt not kill

and the King James bible that my mother left me is in the fiction rack the language is beautiful but some of the contents are the ramblings of people taking hallucinogenics and propagandists

g hall · 24-05-2008, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bear

It's the Muslims who DO read their "word" correctly who do the killing.

Not the version I've seen
They Shall Not Hurt Or Destroy - Chapter 11 - ...Kill not a Living Creature - The Writings of Vasu S. Murti: Human Rights - Social Justice - Animal Rights - Peace - Love - Compassion - Kindness - Gentleness - Religion - Soul - Spirit - Knowledge - Wi

g hall · 24-05-2008, 07:28 PM

There are people who embrace religion because it gives them power over others and they will twist the original teachings that have been handed down for the simple reason that they can become richer and more powerful.

Consider this if there is a God and God caused everything to be made and human beings are the height of the creation and all else is subservient to Man then surely to destroy another human being is to betray God and his works therefore anyone who preaches that to kill another human being is going directly against God and his works

May your invisible friend be with you

For_England · 24-05-2008, 11:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Imperium

Would these be the same laws and legal systems that prevent European people from debating the holohaux and expressing dissent against the invasion of their lands by the hordes of the Third World and our slow genocide?

How do you know that there was not mass killing of Jews in WW2?

The Bear · 25-05-2008, 07:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by g hall

Not the version I've seen
They Shall Not Hurt Or Destroy - Chapter 11 - ...Kill not a Living Creature - The Writings of Vasu S. Murti: Human Rights - Social Justice - Animal Rights - Peace - Love - Compassion - Kindness - Gentleness - Religion - Soul - Spirit - Knowledge - Wi

Read the Koran and a-Hadith. They're the workshop manuals and there's not going to be any updates.

The Bear · 25-05-2008, 08:49 AM

On turning the cheek

Quote:

“A coward`s charter if ever I saw one.”

How ‘bout if you had the means to totally destroy the individual who had just struck you but chose to turn the cheek to show that what you had was a better way than his?

On turning the cheek and how you might feel

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“I would bear hatred, extreme hatred and this emotion is something to be welcomed and nurtured.

Hatred has served as well for countless millennia as a survival mechanism. What a pity that the indigenous peoples of Britain have been so brainwashed by the champagne bolshevists that now misrule this country that they dare not hate! Without hate they will never be roused to do something and start to resist the invasion of their country by the refuse of the world.

But how would the guy who was doing the hitting feel!

There is indeed a place for hate but hatred harms the hater as much as the hated. Hatred dehumanises the person who hates.

There are indeed times when there is no alternative other than hate a thing but that comes at a cost, it is important to know what that cost will be and make a decisions based on that.

On Loving the sinner yet hating the sin.

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"He" never "sent" anyone: "he" does not exist. Save your xtian brainwashing for people who care!

If you care to look back to what you wrote previously you asked “Where in the New Testament is this stated” I simply answered that question.

On European laws and legality

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“Would these be the same laws and legal systems that prevent European people from debating the holocaust and expressing dissent against the invasion of their lands by the hordes of the Third World and our slow genocide?”

There’s no laws preventing the discussion or debate about the Shoa though there rightly are laws in many countries against denying what took place. Likewise there are no laws prohibiting dissent against immigration or its effects thought there rightly are laws prohibiting incitement to race hatred.

On earlier cultures and Christian based culture being superior

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“Again how arrogant! You support the notion of Christianity being a superior religion and for this reason I have to question supposed atheism: it is barely skin deep.”

If you read what I wrote you will find no reference to the Christian religion being superior, I referred to Christian culture. The societies that came about as a result of societies adopting Christian morality and ethics.

On use of scripture to justify butchery and torture.

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“Christianity also adapted its scriptures to support widespread persecution of any kind of dissenters, whether they be "Heathens", "heretics" or Wise Women.
Christianity has caused far more bloodletting of the Aryan peoples than islam ever had or ever will.
Furthermore its sickly precepts have acted as a poison in the blood of our people but now that Christianity is dying people are beginning to wake up.”

No. Not Christianity, people who may be aspiring to be Christian and people who act under the instruction of their Churches, especially the very UN Christian Roman Catholic church have, but in each case it is counter to the teaching of Jesus.

Sickly precepts? If by that you mean gentleness, tolerance, consideration, in short love for fellow men and women, hardly sickly precepts I would have thought. Still, to each their own. I see such things that I wish that I had the courage to adopt but sad to say personally I don’t.

As for Islam, you really are out of touch regarding that assertion with respect to those who are not “People of the Book”. I suggest you go find out facts not imagination.

On the relationship between Islam and Christianity and Judaism,.

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“I am not here to defend islam. It is another branch of the same alien and rotten semitic tree.”

In that you are totally wrong. Islam purports to derive from Christianity and Judaism but when examined it is obvious that is a load of baloney.

On the co-existence between pre existing religions and Christianity and using Chritmas as an example

“[i]Anything to win a soul and make a fast buck, eh?

Don’t assume that because people acknowledge Yule that this is in any way an acknowledgement of your Jesus - it isn’t.

The Yule festival was celebrated by various Aryan peoples before Jesus was a twinkle in his teenage mother’ eye![i]”

No doubt at all there are few latter day Pagans who do celebrate Yule and The Turning of the Wheel and more with not even a passing thought about Christianity just as most Christians (and atheists!) who have a decorated tree and all the trimmings at Yuletide without even the realisation that there IS a Yule but so what?

On the origins and content of The Bible

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“But you acknowledge that the books from Genesis to Revelation incorporate the inviolable word of the Christian God?
The very book that calls for the extermination of witches?”

If you study The Tanakh you will find that the Hebrew word, chasaph translated into “witch” in the KJV.

In Hebrew the word translates to “poisoner ” which again must be read in context as the question then arises does it refer to a physical poisoner, i.e. someone who uses poison to kill or injure, or is it in a wider context someone who attempts to damage the Jewish nation.

There is even suggestion that it refers to the priests of the various Baalist religions some of which were serious contenders for the crown of religion of choice by the Tribes of Israel at the time. (dig deeper there and you find all sorts of things prohibited in Judaism from not shaving to not mixing “fleshes and milches” in cooking!)

On the legitimacy of Canon of Scripture and Nicea.

“Christians would have us think that as it would draw a huge question mark about the legitimacy of the canon of scripture. Not surprisingly you support this notion.
I suggest you peruse S.Acharya`s excellent site and study her books.”

Though now a very committed atheist I was brought up in a family who were rock solid members of The Brethren. (That was an experience enough to make anyone become atheist, believe me!) You therefore make assumptions of what I may or may not have read.

On the essence of Christianity

Quote

“Just as their is a hierarchy in the animal kingdom so there is a hierarchy between men based on blood, strength and intelligence.
Nature does not recognise the false notion of equality.”

There is both hierarchy and equality.

There is also humanity and that is a thing that places us, or at least most of us, above the animals.

Our humanity causes those who are stronger to support those of us who are not and as we all of us have different strengths and weaknesses so we are all dependent on each other.

Our society, based as it is on Christian morals and ethics, is foremost amongst societies in encapsulating the necessities for such mutual support.

On The Aryan.

Quote]

“The terms Aryan and noble are self-explanatory. I suggest that you study my blogs should you wish to seek more information or enlightenment on the issue!”

All I have seen is close to neo-Nazi racist rubbish.

I’ve now run out of time and to be frank run out of patience.

My opinions about the essential differences between Christianity and Christian churches I have expressed, my contempt for the “Right of Might” I hope is self evident, you are you, I am I, the world is made up of people having different views no matter how wrong yours may be!

Imperium · 25-05-2008, 09:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Bear

It's the Muslims who DO read their "word" correctly who do the killing.

So the Thirty Years War, the witch trials and the Inquisition NEVER happened then?

Imperium · 25-05-2008, 09:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by g hall

Thou shalt not kill

and the King James bible that my mother left me is in the fiction rack the language is beautiful but some of the contents are the ramblings of people taking hallucinogenics and propagandists

Read the "historical" book, I and II Kings, I and II Chronicles and Judges etc, full of commands from "god" to slaughter and butcher anyone who isn`t jewish, man, woman, child and beast!
The bible is a collection of writings by psychopaths who have created a god after their own likeness.
god creates a worl to then destroy by a flood. What a loving god he is!

The Bear · 25-05-2008, 10:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Imperium

So the Thirty Years War, the witch trials and the Inquisition NEVER happened then?

These things were done by men claiming to be Christians whilst acting in an Unchristian manner.

Imperium · 25-05-2008, 10:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by For_England

How do you know that there was not mass killing of Jews in WW2?

I don`t deny that this happened, I merely question the myth of the "6,000,000" and the "gas chambers". The myth of the 6,000,000 and the term "holocaust" can actually be traced to WWI propaganda which in my opinion was rehashed for WWII.
Plenty of people died in WWII and I see no reason to elevate the jews to martyrdom or sainthood above that of other races and peoples.
Too often the holohaux is used as a weapon to silence any criticism of israel and the jews collectively and individually.
It is the only alleged "historical" event which is not open to discussion or criticism in the so-called "free world". I wonder why?

24-05-2008, 07:28 PM	#93 (permalink)
g hall Uber Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: erehwon Posts: 5,233	There are people who embrace religion because it gives them power over others and they will twist the original teachings that have been handed down for the simple reason that they can become richer and more powerful. Consider this if there is a God and God caused everything to be made and human beings are the height of the creation and all else is subservient to Man then surely to destroy another human being is to betray God and his works therefore anyone who preaches that to kill another human being is going directly against God and his works May your invisible friend be with you __________________ "That government is best which governs least." "This is a sharp Medicine, but it is a Physician for all diseases and miseries". "To be "matter of fact" about the world is to blunder into fantasy --and dull fantasy at that, as the real world is strange and wonderful."

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The Bear Uber Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: East Anglia Posts: 2,178	On turning the cheek Quote: “A coward`s charter if ever I saw one.” How ‘bout if you had the means to totally destroy the individual who had just struck you but chose to turn the cheek to show that what you had was a better way than his? On turning the cheek and how you might feel Quote “I would bear hatred, extreme hatred and this emotion is something to be welcomed and nurtured. Hatred has served as well for countless millennia as a survival mechanism. What a pity that the indigenous peoples of Britain have been so brainwashed by the champagne bolshevists that now misrule this country that they dare not hate! Without hate they will never be roused to do something and start to resist the invasion of their country by the refuse of the world. But how would the guy who was doing the hitting feel! There is indeed a place for hate but hatred harms the hater as much as the hated. Hatred dehumanises the person who hates. There are indeed times when there is no alternative other than hate a thing but that comes at a cost, it is important to know what that cost will be and make a decisions based on that. On Loving the sinner yet hating the sin. Quote "He" never "sent" anyone: "he" does not exist. Save your xtian brainwashing for people who care! If you care to look back to what you wrote previously you asked “Where in the New Testament is this stated” I simply answered that question. On European laws and legality Quote “Would these be the same laws and legal systems that prevent European people from debating the holocaust and expressing dissent against the invasion of their lands by the hordes of the Third World and our slow genocide?” There’s no laws preventing the discussion or debate about the Shoa though there rightly are laws in many countries against denying what took place. Likewise there are no laws prohibiting dissent against immigration or its effects thought there rightly are laws prohibiting incitement to race hatred. On earlier cultures and Christian based culture being superior Quote “Again how arrogant! You support the notion of Christianity being a superior religion and for this reason I have to question supposed atheism: it is barely skin deep.” If you read what I wrote you will find no reference to the Christian religion being superior, I referred to Christian culture. The societies that came about as a result of societies adopting Christian morality and ethics. On use of scripture to justify butchery and torture. Quote “Christianity also adapted its scriptures to support widespread persecution of any kind of dissenters, whether they be "Heathens", "heretics" or Wise Women. Christianity has caused far more bloodletting of the Aryan peoples than islam ever had or ever will. Furthermore its sickly precepts have acted as a poison in the blood of our people but now that Christianity is dying people are beginning to wake up.” No. Not Christianity, people who may be aspiring to be Christian and people who act under the instruction of their Churches, especially the very UN Christian Roman Catholic church have, but in each case it is counter to the teaching of Jesus. Sickly precepts? If by that you mean gentleness, tolerance, consideration, in short love for fellow men and women, hardly sickly precepts I would have thought. Still, to each their own. I see such things that I wish that I had the courage to adopt but sad to say personally I don’t. As for Islam, you really are out of touch regarding that assertion with respect to those who are not “People of the Book”. I suggest you go find out facts not imagination. On the relationship between Islam and Christianity and Judaism,. Quote “I am not here to defend islam. It is another branch of the same alien and rotten semitic tree.” In that you are totally wrong. Islam purports to derive from Christianity and Judaism but when examined it is obvious that is a load of baloney. On the co-existence between pre existing religions and Christianity and using Chritmas as an example “[i]Anything to win a soul and make a fast buck, eh? Don’t assume that because people acknowledge Yule that this is in any way an acknowledgement of your Jesus - it isn’t. The Yule festival was celebrated by various Aryan peoples before Jesus was a twinkle in his teenage mother’ eye![i]” No doubt at all there are few latter day Pagans who do celebrate Yule and The Turning of the Wheel and more with not even a passing thought about Christianity just as most Christians (and atheists!) who have a decorated tree and all the trimmings at Yuletide without even the realisation that there IS a Yule but so what? On the origins and content of The Bible Quote “But you acknowledge that the books from Genesis to Revelation incorporate the inviolable word of the Christian God? The very book that calls for the extermination of witches?” If you study The Tanakh you will find that the Hebrew word, chasaph translated into “witch” in the KJV. In Hebrew the word translates to “poisoner ” which again must be read in context as the question then arises does it refer to a physical poisoner, i.e. someone who uses poison to kill or injure, or is it in a wider context someone who attempts to damage the Jewish nation. There is even suggestion that it refers to the priests of the various Baalist religions some of which were serious contenders for the crown of religion of choice by the Tribes of Israel at the time. (dig deeper there and you find all sorts of things prohibited in Judaism from not shaving to not mixing “fleshes and milches” in cooking!) On the legitimacy of Canon of Scripture and Nicea. “Christians would have us think that as it would draw a huge question mark about the legitimacy of the canon of scripture. Not surprisingly you support this notion. I suggest you peruse S.Acharya`s excellent site and study her books.” Though now a very committed atheist I was brought up in a family who were rock solid members of The Brethren. (That was an experience enough to make anyone become atheist, believe me!) You therefore make assumptions of what I may or may not have read. On the essence of Christianity Quote “Just as their is a hierarchy in the animal kingdom so there is a hierarchy between men based on blood, strength and intelligence. Nature does not recognise the false notion of equality.” There is both hierarchy and equality. There is also humanity and that is a thing that places us, or at least most of us, above the animals. Our humanity causes those who are stronger to support those of us who are not and as we all of us have different strengths and weaknesses so we are all dependent on each other. Our society, based as it is on Christian morals and ethics, is foremost amongst societies in encapsulating the necessities for such mutual support. On The Aryan. Quote] “The terms Aryan and noble are self-explanatory. I suggest that you study my blogs should you wish to seek more information or enlightenment on the issue!” All I have seen is close to neo-Nazi racist rubbish. I’ve now run out of time and to be frank run out of patience. My opinions about the essential differences between Christianity and Christian churches I have expressed, my contempt for the “Right of Might” I hope is self evident, you are you, I am I, the world is made up of people having different views no matter how wrong yours may be! __________________ I am an old man. I have eaten much salt.

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