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He also said that he was not refering Africans as a race biologically inferior in intelligence as compared to non-Africans. He apologise if anyone has read the message in such a way.

It simply means the present average population in Africa score low in IQ test and this might hinder the progress of the region if we do not take this into consideration.

Ea of Dune

No I think it's a cultural thing not a race thing. I get sick of all this hand them more friggin money and it will all be ok attitude though. Why is it that the Indian community came here and prospered yet the Somali's haven't? Culture that's why.
My mother grew up in a rough inner city area as a catholic in an Anglo-Irish family and left school at 14.
Guess what, she has never claimed the dole and by the time she was 30 my father and her had a 3 bedroom detached house with a garage and a large drive and a car.
They had to bloody well work their arses off from day one, no hand outs, no shitty little charities spounging off the public purse to help them out, hard friggin graft.
If they can do it, and the Indian community can come here and do it, why can't others? Well because culturally they are shooting themselves in the bloody foot and we are letting them through the idiototic multicultural policies of this government.

If these people can't be bothered to work with what they have then they shouldn't be here. I don't care if it sounds harsh, fu*k it I'm sick of keeping my gob shut over this. I've been bloody well mugged by these sodding Somali scumbags, do you understand what effect that has on you mentally?
My friend had the hell kicked out of him down an alleyway whilst this was happening by these ********.

Deprived my ****! 33 grand a year, free public education and healthcare, free transport for their youths in London sounds a hell of a lot better then most English folk had it in the 40's and 50's does it not?

Ea of dune

British-Conservatism

It's definatly racial not cultural.
It's obvious within minutes of spending time with other races.

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He all so said there is "there is no firm reason to anticipate that the intellectual capacities of peoples geographically separated in their evolution should prove to have evolved identically. Our wanting to reserve equal powers of reason as some universal heritage of humanity will not be enough to make it so".

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Researchers who believe that there are significant genetic contributions to race differences in intelligence include McGurk (1953), Garrett (1961), Shuey (1966), Shockley (1968), Eysenck (1971), Baker (1974), Loehlin et al. (1975), Vernon (1979), Lynn (1991a), Waldman et al. (1994), Scarr (1995), Levin (1997), Jensen (1998b), Rushton (2000), and Gottfredson (2005b).[88] Coming advances in genetics and genomics are expected to soon provide the ability to test hypotheses about group differences more rigorously than has as yet been possible.

Studies of US comparisons of both parents to children and siblings to each other finding regression to differing means for different races (85 for Blacks and 100 for Whites) across the entire range of IQs, despite the fact that siblings are matched for shared environment and genetic heritage, with regression unaffected by family socioeconomic status and generation examined.

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The Bear

I agree that it is a "cultural" thing, but it will take work in the social domain to resolve it.

It is that which will change the culture to the British culture though for the last few year the disastrous and above all stupid multicultural ideology that has been imposed by a bunch of loonies has seen too much of our British “culture” changed in ways that I am sure none of us like.

Even so, to leave communities in social depravation on what amounts to nothing more than a care and maintenance program and left to go their own way as has been done under the misguided ideology of multicultralism is just plain wrong, and the effects are now being increasingly felt.

The answer lies in dealing with the disease, treating the symptoms is not enough.

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The Bear

Look, even if you do use the Stanford-Binet (or similar) so called “IQ tests” and even if you do accept that there is a shift the bottom line is that everyone is equal with differing abilities.

So you find a Nigerian with an IQ score in the twentieth percentile, so what?

Does that mean that another Nigerian who scores at the 95th percentile should be precluded from certain jobs, from certain neighborhoods? from certain social circles simply because he is BLACK?

Of course not.

Even if the Stanford-Binet series were valid as a means of establishing absolute intelligence, which they are NOT, the opportunities open to a man should, indeed MUST be established only on his personal ability and the opportunities that exist.

To propose anything otherwise is not just wrong, it is shameful and disgusting.

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Mikeuk

No, because each individual should be judged individually and nobody except a total moron would argue that all Whites are cleverer than all Blacks or anything along the same lines. I'm sure there are people like that in the BNP.

If I were advertising a job these days I would not discriminate on grounds of 'colour' and if somebody of the calibre of, say, Sir Trevor Macdonald or Rageh Omaar applied I would be delighted to snap them up.

But that does not explain why although 'Black African' ethnic groups have produced sportsmen and jazzman the Whites cannot equal, they have not produced an Einstein or a Stephen Hawking, nor will they within the forseeable future.

As has been pointed out there is a very serious point to this 'collective judgement' upon the peoples of Sub-Saharan Africa. If we proceed on the probably false assumption that they possess a general intellectual capability equal to that of 'White', 'Yellow' and 'Brown' peoples we are likely to make wrong decisions that may result in untold deaths and misery.
If you write in such hysterical terms, how can you expect to be taken seriously? Such emotive over-reaction is a mirror-image of the manic racism associated with the BNP and similar groups.

Mikeuk

Yes. I'll bet he had to backtrack fast on that one. As I'm sure you know free speech on this issue is no longer allowed.

The original point he made is perhaps the main - humanitarian - reason why we have to rely upon old-fashioned empirical induction rather than neo-obscurantist waffle.

Mikeuk

Shades of Hume. And do you recall what Hume had to say about the 'Negro'?

None of these scientific theories or indeed facts negate the proposition that ranges of intellect are likely to differ widely between ethnic groups, as much genetically 'programmed' as the shape of a skull or the colour of skin.

In the absence of proof to the contrary it would appear to be the 'default' position.

As I am a thoroughgoing Darwinian who accepts that my ancestors included monkeys I am hardly likely to be knocked backwards by the notion that my later forebears may have been 'Black Africans'

The point is that whoever and whatever those ancestors may have been all ethnic groups have been busy mutating away from them ever since and it seems an obvious proposition that in some groups the development of intellect will be more pronounced than others.

Are you seriously suggesting that ranges of intellect have developed in equal step across all ethnic groups and sub-groups?