Mikeuk

When a man displays the genius of an Einstein the world does tend to get to hear about it pretty soon.

Nor do geniuses necessarily have an easy time of it. Einstein was rubbished by much of the establishment and then persecuted by the Nazis. Galileo had a pretty rough ride as well.

Not necessarily. Leonardo was a polymath par excellence, Hume was a successful historian and Rousseau was a celebrated music critic and (for a while) a successful composer. There are many more such examples.

Sorry, but if they are not 'visible' it is not reasonable simply to assume they exist.

On that basis one can 'assume' anything one wants - but I guess that is your modus operandi anyway.

If...

And if your aunt had balls she'd be your uncle.

The Bear

Affirmative action to ensure proportionate representation by people of different ethnicity where it is otherwise distorted is not racism, it is the right and proper thing to do.

It only ceases to be if the affirmative action results in a person who is not best fitted to fill a particular vacancy is appointed over a person who is better fitted.

Where racism is endemic, institutionalised, or traditional then measures to eliminate it must be applied, especially where public facing roles are involved.

If that means that an intake of people is restricted to people of a particular ethnicity in order to correct the distortion past racism has created then so long as all other factors besides ethnicity are not changed then that is exactly the correct course of action to be taken.

The idea that Britain is a “white” nation is long past.

Today Britain is a multiethnic nation, and being English does NOT mean being white.

Get used to it.

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The Bear

No.

The world that he lives in gets to hear about it. If the world that he lives in is not in close contact with the world that we live in we would not, just as it s unlikely that a guy in a farmstead in the Transvaal would recognise the name or achievements of Einstein.

No. No more than to draw the conclusion that if a tree falls in a forest and no one hears it it makes no sound.

Why do you draw that conclusion?

By the same token why assume that a product from Mozambique should automatically NOT be of a satisfactory quality, and the delivery times and support available was acceptable, and at the right price?

To do that is simply racism.

What is it that you are so afraid of in accepting that you are just as good, not in the least inferior, and not one iota better than the guy from the DRC or from Nigeria or an Inuit or, well, anywhere?

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Mikeuk

We know that trees fall in forests because trees tend to fall and forests are full of them.

You cannot, however, assume on that basis that a particular tree fell in a particular forest last night, unless you have been there and seen that tree, or you have a reliable report to that effect

In order to draw the conclusion that any significant number of Sub-Saharan African geniuses can equal the geniuses of Europe, Asia or 'White' America we would want to see some actual evidence.

Let's see some. Please do note that most of the 'Great Black Achievers' websites tend to kick off with men such as Pushkin and Alexandre Dumas (père and fils) simply because they were partly of African descent.

Lucky you aren't in that line of business.

I made the mistake of buying a phone from India and I certainly don't intend to start buying gear from Africa.

British-Conservatism

Would you apply affermatice action to the Premier League?

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Peter Brimelow, writing several years ago in Forbes,1 calculated that affirmative action cost the U.S. $350 billion, or 4 percent of Gross Domestic Product, for the year 1992. To calculate this figure, Mr. Brimelow totaled the direct cost of various government enforcement agencies, and estimated indirect costs in lost productivity, inefficiencies, extra staffing, etc. in private industry and government. If his figures are at all accurate (and to my knowledge no one has ever challenged them), the cost of affirmative action since it first began in the mid-1960’s is now well into the trillions.

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This cannot but have hurt America’s international competitiveness. As far back as 1986, Japanese Prime Minister Yasuhiro Nakasone warned that America had a “low level of competitiveness” because of black and Hispanic minorities. He was reflecting the opinion of 40 percent of the Japanese people, who believe that our major economic problem is our high proportion of minorities. The Japanese, a polite race, generally keep such opinions to themselves. They aren’t good for business either, since American minorities buy a lot of Japanese products.

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Mikeuk

Why not indeed?

And isn't it also time that these teams were forced to accept at least 50% female players?

The Bear

That is meaningless.

Produce evidence that would point to the contrary.

There is very good evidence to point that the assertion that the percentage of people who could be considered as genius is at least the same amongst the people with white skin as black skin.

For example consider the number of medicines that we have that came about from finding out what people used and who lived in places where the plants that provide the curative powers we make use of.

Or metallurgy. The smelting of ores to produce metals took place in Africa long before it started in Europe.

And that’s just scratching the surface, and not even needing to visit the sites where the great discoveries that have been made are presented in order to show up the stupidity behind the theory of racial inferiority that some people sadly still uphold.

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By the same token why assume that a product from Mozambique should automatically NOT be of a satisfactory quality, and the delivery times and support available was acceptable, and at the right price?
Lucky you aren't in that line of business.

I made the mistake of buying a phone from India and I certainly don't intend to start buying gear from Africa.[/quote]

If there was a problem the problem was in the intermediary not ensuring that what was bought from the supplier was not of a satisfactory quality.

If he had done so there is no reason to suppose that the item you bought would have differed in any way from one of similar quality bought from anywhere else, nor is it legitimate to conclude that India is incapable of turning out such high quality. Indian software for example is some of the very best in the world.

This is just getting boring.

It is obvious that the bigoted racists who trot out rubbish to justify their foul beliefs will ever remain bigoted for the simple reason that they like the silly proposition that they are in some way better than people of other races.

Just as well that they’re a dying breed.

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Mikeuk

No, it is up to you to prove your proposition. Let's have a few names. Shouldn't be difficult. There are enough wacky websites out there and if you want a hand I can name a few genuinely great Africans (actually most of them were of mixed race)

That has happened all over the world as a result of trial and error. If the juice from one plant kills the patient you try something else.

It has nothing to do with genius. Where, for instance is the African Marie Curie?

Personally I think it's quite entertaining, but nobody's forcing you to take part.

Well if that's the case why are you so stewed up about 'racists'? You posted last week to say they could become a growing threat.

I suppose you will be telling us next that the BNP should be banned.