British-Conservatism

The EU will be an Islamic state within 50 years.

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Mikeuk

That's what they said about the Thousand-year Reich

Mikeuk

Bear you really are very odd. I'm getting worried about you.

Why have you never responded to my hunch (expressed two or three times) that you were an Archie Bunker type who suffered a Damascene conversion to leftist imbecility?

I'm told that it sometimes accompanies the male menopause.

You sound soooooooh much like one of those ex-smokers who has become a tedious health fascist.

Mikeuk

Yes but that 'mongrel mix' is almost entirely Northern European. Anyway, nobody welcomed the Vikings or the Normans when they came, but they came as conquerors with fire and sword and improved our genetic stock.

Can't see William the B*stard's warlords cowering pitifully in the back of some grubby cattle truck on the channel crossing, somehow.

Now I am probably more of a 'mongrel' than most Englishmen because I have Scots, Irish, Jewish and Dutch-American (real Dutch not Kraut) blood.

However as far as I'm aware none of my ancestors were in the habit of doing a turn on the bongo drums or making a curry with a flatulance coefficient of Hiroshima proportions. Sorry, but such people, wonderful as they may be, don't form part of my identity or heritage.

Nor yours either, I suspect. Isn't this all rather a silly affectation on your part?

Robin

Not at all and not be equivalent to Puerto Rico or the Dominican Republic.

To be equivalent to whatever we want to be, with the freedom and benefits of Norway and Switzerland.

Or would you want us to join USE and be the equivalent of Roumania or Poland ?

The Bear

Thanks!

Because it’s totally wrong!

I have that pleasure yet to come!

I understand the parallel you’re trying to establish, but you couldn’t be more wrong. I’ve never experienced a “Road to Damascus Conversion”, what I am I always have been as regards race and racists.

But of course they do! We all share common ancestry!

Look, quite apart from a strange belief that there is something wonderful about an absence of melamin in a persons skin, or the form of music they enjoy, or the diet they are accustomed to, the thing that matters is not the word black, brown, yellow, African, Oriental, whatever that precedes the word man, the important word is man.

Shakespeare illustrated this point in the Merchant with the famous speech by Shylock.

Replace “Jew” with “African” of Indian or whatever and the message is the same, a man is a man is a man.

Just to remind (or possibly enlighten) you here’s the relevant part of the play.

“Hath not a Jew eyes? hath not a Jew hands, organs, dimensions, senses, affections, passions? fed with the same food, hurt with the same weapons, subject to the same diseases, healed by the same means, warmed and cooled by the same winter and summer, as a Christian is? If you prick us, do we not bleed? if you tickle us, do we not laugh? if you poison us, do we not die? and if you wrong us, shall we not revenge?

No, it isn’t. It’s me illustrating the difference between decency, and bigoted foolish racial hatred.

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The Bear

We can't be the equivalent to whatever we want to be, with the freedom and benefits of Norway and Switzerland. We're beyond skint, we're bankrupt.

We're not even as well off as Poland, at least the Poles don't have the crippling levels of foreign debt that we have.

If you or anyone wants to see just how far in the clag we are then here's a start to see the state that Britain is in relative to other nations in the world.

https://www.cia.gov/library/publicat...orld-factbook/

Just don't confuse economic activity with wealth. The British economic activity has not wealth but debt as its foundation, debt that we now can never repay on our own.

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Mikeuk

If that is the case you mast have had a pretty lonely time in the days when what is now called racism was regarded as the norm (except on the far left).

More likely you kept your mouth shut about it.

Sanctimonious eyewash. Were not Hitler, Pol Pot and Stalin all men? Everything we know about evil (or whatever you want to call it) comes purely from men.

Of the men who make any impact on history a very large number are murderers and tyrants, and as for at least 95% of the humans who have ever existed, the world would be no worse off had they never existed at all.

I don't need enlightenment about the 'Merchant of Venice'. I performed in it at school. It was highly approved by the authorities in Nazi Germany and if you think that Shakespeare is an anti-racist you have clearly never read the entire play. He's purely fleshing out the character, just as the director of a gangster movie makes his villain go dewy-eyed over puppies or toddlers.

Try reading 'The Jew of Malta'

The Bear

Not at all. There were racists aplenty around but there were also people like myself who could see through the unthinking prejudice that was so often based on fear or a misplaced idea of class differences that placed foreigners as Untermenschen by the very fact that they were foreigners.

Perhaps it’s a question of upbringing. I was fortunate in mine having been within a family with parents both of whom were academics and who had a circle of friends of similar backgrounds.

But what has that got to do with the colour of a mans skin or his diet or preference in music all of which YOU brought in as factors?

Remember?

You wrote “ However as far as I'm aware none of my ancestors were in the habit of doing a turn on the bongo drums or making a curry with a flatulence coefficient of Hiroshima proportions.”

I made no mention of the anti-Semitism or otherwise of Shakespeare. What I DID do was use his words to illustrate clearly that what matters is not the colour of race of a man, but that he is a man.

In any case if your understanding of Shylocks speech is no more than thinking that it is fleshing out the character, just as the director of a gangster movie makes his villain go dewy-eyed over puppies or toddlers, then irrespective of having performed in a school play you learned little from it and understood even less.

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Robin

You want to read and analyse the data . Poland is still poorer than the UK, is solving its unemployment problems by the workforce emigrating and has to have hanouts from us to it via the EU.

Tell us why you think the EU is the solution to any problem we have.