HighlandFP

Enclosed an image of a young tourists selling the Big Issue
on the streets of Inverness.
There are many many such tourists claiming they are "Homeless".

When I was a tourist, abroad I slept in fields and on beaches but I never claimed to be Homeles and beg for charity and get £100 per day PLUS.

Tourists should bring enough money for B&B, a Hotel or sleep on the beach as I did, NOT beg from old ladies who fall for the sob stories..........

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EU = Ein Volk ~ Ein Reich.

Seasider

Yes thank you for that as I didn't know the New Zealand population, but it is a more relevant comparison.

I shall use the NZ example instead.

Hartlepool

These people are everywhere now,they are not tourists but Romanian gypsies in many cases,professional lifetime beggars.

The more they are accepted and paid,the more you will see them on the streets each and everywhere,let's face it,Europe is a nation of peasants and beggars.

The Bear

Europe is no more a nation of peasants and beggars than the United States of America is.

Europe is becoming a nation of states some of which are backward and impoverished and in which dishonesty and corruption are rife, others are culturally much more advanced than ourselves, and others which are on a par with us to an extent than many people don’t want to accept.

IN my opinion the BIG mistake that has been made in the ongoing development of Europe is the expansion to encompass the former USSR states as in my opinion they simply were not and in most cases are not sufficiently compatible with “old “ Europe.

What is plain is that the social engineering that Labour has always promoted and that New Labour have engaged in with such relish in the horrible direction of “multiculturalism” to add to the use of the Welfare State as a political tool of gerrymandering has turned Britain into a land of dreams for the riff raff of Eastern Europe and beyond.

Think about it.

If you were living in a wattle and daub hut with the only running water that which came through the roof when it rained or if you had contracted AIDS and had no hope of affording the costs of treatment.

Or if you were living in a concrete slave-cell in some Eastern European hole and had the offer of money in your hand, a warm clean comfortable place to live, free health care for what ails you, and laws that prevented the locals from saying a word against what you were going how long would you wait until you set sail?

Not long is my guess.

It’s wrong to blame these people for doing what they do, they’re only doing the sensible thing.

The REAL blame lies with Blair and Brown and their mob.

Worst of all to swallow is that thanks to this dreadful government it's now US that have become the nation of peasants and beggars.

Dumbing down education and the corrupt use of the Welfare state has created the peasent strata (and it's BIG) and the way that Brown has let the country get so disasteriusly deep in debt is what has made us all beggers.

It's the lack of giving by the "haves" that is behind the credit squeeze. We're now failing the international credit check.

Hartlepool

I pointed out that these people were perhaps Romanian beggars and that Europe is a nation of peasants and beggars.

So far,I have seen none of these beggars with the distorted and mutilated children they utilised for many years to make their case for begging more shocking to those who give.But,its early days yet.

Ltes not forget that being a beggar in one or two of those countries is an occupation and therefore they are in a recognised profession when there.

Lastly,walking through Europes non tourist areas has positively shown me that the European Continent is of peasantlike makeup,the interiors of Portugal,Spain,Italy,Greece and even large parts of France are still in the thirties.seventy five years behind us here,most know this as they have seen it for themselves,you can even go into France and Belgium today and see them in the fields ploughing and farming with hosedrawn ploughs and equipment,and all this after getting massive farm handouts every 12 months as the rigged CAP dictates for them.

These peasants will not be moving up a bunch of notches and gaining the levels of our farming industry because our farming industry is being brought down to the European peasant levels just as seen in their countries by us all.

Why would the EU bring every farmer up to scratch when it can save so much by lowering our level to theirs?

I blamed nobody in my post by the way Bear.

The Bear

I wonder if our intensive farming really is good for Britain as a whole. I wonder how many of the workshy who presently sit taking handouts from those who work and have their wages garnered would be working on farms today were it not for the over industrialisation of British farms.

The use of traditional means of agriculture? A substantial cause for that is the number of small farms that simply could not be financially viable were in not for the CAP.

But here’s the thing.

What would the cost benefit calculation be if those same small farms were to be aggregated into large industrialised places and the people so displaced put on the dole? What cost not just in cash terms but ecology terms? Because those same huge prairie like units that rely on abusing the land rather than cultivating it and are so dependent on chemicals are creating merry hell with the British wildlife.

So how come the French farmer with a few acres manages yet the UK farmer with many more can not? Very simple. The CAP requires that the government must match EU CAP funding and in Britain that simply doesn’t happen.

If the British government ploughed as much in domestic grants as do the French, the Italian, the Dutch, the Danish, the Spanish, the Portuguese, and so on then the British farmer would be in a very much better position to even survive, our land would not be so abused, better quality produce would be there to be had, and more people would be off the dole and in work.

British farming is an abuse of nature. Let's never forget that.

What’s with the use of the word peasant almost as if it was some form of denunciation of a person?

Britain is made up of mostly peasants if the tight association with rural life that is sometimes applied is put to one side.

WE have our mass of urban peasants.

The unskilled or semiskilled masses who are very substantially or in many cases totally dependant on their “feudal lord” that these days is the Welfare State as their employment skills and ambition simply doesn’t deliver enough to live on.

Just because one person wears a shell suit and sneakers and calls their kids names like Chablis or Dwayne and works (if at all) in a retail outlet or some mundane job in an office, and another wears old tweeds and hob nail boots and works on the land, in reality matters nothing. They are BOTH peasants.

To paraphrase a well known saying, you can take the man out of the “peasantry” but you can’t take the peasantry out of the man.

C_steam

nanci griffith, midnight grand hotel? My word, you have good taste.

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gina

Thats why we need a sensible policy of humane repatriation.

Origin8

The recent Dispatches programme missed the point about the actual dangers of immigration. They talked about the economic situation. That is irrelevant. Economies go up and down as does inflation and quality of life. The rich/poor divide varies. Governments change as do policies, and science makes 'breakthroughs' or makes mistakes.
Through ALL this is the constantly increasing segregation we have seen since the seventies. This natural gravitation to an individuals community is unaffected by ideology, legislation, money, cohesion, pleading, or science.
People are all the same. But because we are all the same we all need our sovereign identity, culture, and especially territory. THAT is the problem with immigration we see all around but choose to ignore.
No country in the whole history of civilization (I am a historian by the way) with more than one ethnicity has ever been anything but divided. That doesn't mean full of hate, it means divided. Iraq, Zimbabwe, India (now Pakistan, Bangladesh, and India) the whole of Eastern Europe, China, the U.S. federal system...everywhere.
And we are no different as people. If you set down the same situation and circumstances as they tolerate then we will act as they do.
But simply; in the last thirty years successive governments have set down the roots of a Balkanisation in Britain that will cause decades, perhaps centuries, of resentment and intermittent civil-war.