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Old 12-04-2008, 08:05 AM   #81 (permalink)
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”Next thing you'll be posting a link to one of those wacky sites about 'famous black inventors'”

Why reject the idea that there ARE some black inventors who were it not for bigotry, envy, and prejudice would be much more widely recognised as such.

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”Why are you so keen to argue for race equality? It is obvious to any intelligent person that it is a complete crock of cr*p.”

Well perhaps I’m not particularly intelligent. Or perhaps I see a difference between absolute equality in all things between the races, which is plainly and obviously NOT the case, and equality in value of people as, well, as people.

What I do NOT believe is that there is a genetic link between race and morality.

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”Why do you suppose the Europeans ruled Africa and the Africans didn't?

Usually when a racist says “Africans” he means sub-Saharan African people.”


Guess what.

Bad news time.

They DID rule their lands.

They ruled their lands very successfully in the manner that was appropriate for their societies and life styles. Moreover they did so for thousands of years.

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“U” being short for “you”.

That is obvious as it is “text-speak”, a thing that I believe is inappropriate for a written communication. A bit like the atrocious use of “M8” for “mate” and other abuses of language to cater for limited bandwidth of media and brain.

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“They are no areas of social deprivation only social disorder.”

There certainly are areas of social deprivation AND in the absolute meaning of the words.

In any case social deprivation, like poverty, is not an necessarily an absolute. It is a more often a relative.

Moreover social disorder comes hand in glove with social deprivation. It’s a vicious circle.

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“I grew up on what you would call a sink estate in one of the poorest areas in Britain.”

Then maybe adopting the views that you have are a consequence of it?

I guess it comes down to one thing. Included amongst the world’s great truths are that fat dogs fart …… and I don’t like racists.

I find their ignorance combined with their bigotry irritating.
"Then maybe adopting the views that you have are a consequence of it? "

What views would they be?

As for poverty if poverty is relative as you say then if we got rid of the rich they would be no poor right?
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Old 12-04-2008, 08:13 AM   #82 (permalink)
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"Then maybe adopting the views that you have are a consequence of it? "

What views would they be?
Those that you express on a variety of issues.

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As for poverty if poverty is relative as you say then if we got rid of the rich they would be no poor right?
No, that poverty, just as affluence, is relative to the average lifestyle in a population.
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Old 12-04-2008, 08:20 AM   #83 (permalink)
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Those that you express on a variety of issues.



No, that poverty, just as affluence, is relative to the average lifestyle in a population.
So no one in England suffers social depravation then only a lower wealth average.
Glad that’s sorted.

Now are you suggesting that people from council estates all express views on racial difference more so than the rest of the population?
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Try reading this book too http://www.charlesdarwinresearch.org...n_Behavior.pdf

It will give you full details of all racial differences.
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Old 12-04-2008, 08:24 AM   #85 (permalink)
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If you look at British football teams these days they are increasingly including Blacks of sub-Saharan origin out of all proportion to the racial makeup of the UK population.

What's the obvious conclusion? It is that sub-Saharan Blacks (apparently we're not allowed to say 'Negro' any more) are atheletically superior to whites - certainly as far as soccer is concerned.

Therefore the notion of racial equality is patent nonsense.

Differences in physique and physiology clearly give blacks an advantage over whites in this respect and the word “athleticism” is applied to them much more often because they are much more likely to possess a high degree of “athleticism.”

Re physique, blacks and whites, when matched for SES variables, are virtually identical in average height, however, their physique and body proportions are much different. Blacks have shorter torsos, broader shoulders, smaller ribcages, narrower hips, and longer limbs (with comparative elongation of the distal segments). Fit samples of blacks and whites appear to be about the same weight on average (or perhaps blacks are marginally heavier), but fit blacks have on average less body fat, particularly on their limbs. It follows that blacks have a greater fat free body mass (i.e., bone, muscle and viscera) than whites. The smaller ribcage and narrower pelvis would indicate less viscera weight and indeed, blacks have been found to have substantially more total body musculature and denser, heavier bones than whites. This greater musculature is also distributed differently. Blacks show considerably more musculature in their glutes and thighs than whites, which gives a substantial advantage in locomotion. Blacks have also been shown to have on average greater cross sectional thickness in their limb musculature than whites, with the difference much greater in the proximal than distal limb segments. Naturally higher average testosterone levels and a greater number of testosterone receptors probably contribute to the leaner more heavily muscled physique of blacks compared to whites.

The average physiological differences give blacks a substantial advantage in athleticism. Narrower hips mean that locomotive force is applied closer to the center of the body’s mass, leading to greater biomechanical efficiency by putting a greater portion of the force generated into forward locomotion and causing less to be wasted in rotational force on the body (not to mention the smaller adjustments that have to be constantly made while running or walking to move the center of gravity towards the leg in contact with the ground). Longer limbs provide greater reach, stride length (both forward and lateral), and longer acceleration paths, both for imparting velocity to thrown objects and for accelerating one’s own body for jumping. The problem with long limbs is that they move the center of mass farther from the pivot point (i.e., the joint), causing greater torque and requiring more force to accelerate the limb or change its direction. However, here again black physique provides them with the best of both worlds. The heavy musculature concentrated in the hips and in the proximal segments keeps most of the mass close to the pivot point and provides a lot of force, and the relatively long, thin distal segments don’t create that much torque while still giving the benefits of long reach, stride and acceleration paths. Blacks lower average body fat and viscera weight from comparatively short torsos with small ribcages provide a greater power to weight ratio and less top-heaviness, with a greater portion of their mass being located in the musculature of the hips and thighs, which provide locomotive power.

Muscle and tendon physiology also contribute to black “athleticism.” It is well publicized that blacks have a higher percentage of fast twitch muscle fibers and higher levels of glycotic and phosphogenic enzyme activity levels, when diet and activity levels are controlled for, which would provide an advantage in explosive, short-duration muscular exertions. Additionally, blacks have comparatively long tendons and short muscle bellies compared to total muscle-tendon length compared to whites. When doing repetitive movements like running, the muscle and tendon of the opposing muscle group to contracting muscles are stretched, which stores energy like an elastic band, which is then added to the backstroke as the opposing muscles contract back. (Try taking an appendage such as a finger and stretching it back and notice how it snaps back to its resting position when you release it to see this stored energy effect.) Tendons are more elastic than muscles and contribute more to this effect. Blacks’ comparatively longer tendons would give them comparatively greater energy storage and retransfer while running, causing them to spend less energy and be more efficient. It is also established that blacks have greater muscle elasticity as well as proportionally longer tendons (their tendon elasticity is about the same as whites).
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So no one in England suffers social depravation then only a lower wealth average.

Glad that’s sorted.
No, that social depravation is relative to the social support and facilities which the majority of people living in society as a whole have access to.

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Now are you suggesting that people from council estates all express views on racial difference more so than the rest of the population?
I didn’t bring “council estates” into the discussion.

Sink estates are by no means constrained to council or housing authority provided housing. I can think of inner city sink estates resulting from properties being owned by a number of private landlords.

Sink estates are places that lack facilities and support to the extent that many of the population consequently behave in an anti-social manner.

In any case there is undoubtedly a tendency for views to be skewed from the average from any restricted sample of a population, especially where the restricted sample has on average a lower educational standard and achievements than that of the population as a whole.
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Try reading this book too http://www.charlesdarwinresearch.org...n_Behavior.pdf

It will give you full details of all racial differences.
LOL! The "penis or brains man"!
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No, that social depravation is relative to the social support and facilities which the majority of people living in society as a whole have access to.



I didn’t bring “council estates” into the discussion.

Sink estates are by no means constrained to council or housing authority provided housing. I can think of inner city sink estates resulting from properties being owned by a number of private landlords.

Sink estates are places that lack facilities and support to the extent that many of the population consequently behave in an anti-social manner.

In any case there is undoubtedly a tendency for views to be skewed from the average from any restricted sample of a population, especially where the restricted sample has on average a lower educational standard and achievements than that of the population as a whole.
"No, that social depravation is relative to the social support and facilities which the majority of people living in society as a whole have access to."

We if thats the case there is definatly no social depravation in Britain.

"Sink estates are places that lack facilities and support to the extent that many of the population consequently behave in an anti-social manner"

Anti-Social behaviour is caused by lack of law and order not lack of social support or any other left wing rubbish.

"In any case there is undoubtedly a tendency for views to be skewed from the average from any restricted sample of a population, especially where the restricted sample has on average a lower educational standard and achievements than that of the population as a whole"

Well I think that may well some you up then.
You seem to have little experience with those of a difference class or racial background.
Hence your very naive views on social conditions and behavior in Britain.
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LOL! The "penis or brains man"!
Ho Ho Ho what a card you are.
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Our beloved British Conservatism, Human genetic variation or "race" is not as simple as J Philippe Rushton's 3 racial branch theory which Human vary discretely as "Caucaosid", "Negroid" and "Mongoloid" with either brain or reproduction power.

Human genetic variation continously not discretely but continously. Millions of North Western European share similar Y chromosome variation pattern on a statistically significant level and several genetic markers which you can, arguable if you like or want to, call them a race. 3 million Basque with a separate language and culture who mate among themselves preodominantly have specific markers, on a by and large but not absolute manner, be named as a race. Similarly you can apply to several nearby villiage in mountainous region can call them a race if you want to.

There is much greater genetic variation within known population than across populations.

Thats why some scientists and anthropologists said race dont exist while some de facto believers of race said whether race exist alot determines on how you define for the term race.
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