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And you still have not answered my questions.

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The Bear

Why do Blacks commit so much more crime than Whites when this country has far more deprived Whites?

My belief is the reason is twofold.

Firstly because so many Black youths live in areas and conditions of social depravation similar to that which the gangs of old lived in and who got up to just as much trouble if not more.

Do you remember, not just have read about but remember the old gangs? The Richardson’s the infamous Kray’s, the gangs of Liverpool, Manchester, Glasgow?

In addition the “culture” that their parents brought in survived in the absence of being able to integrate has not yet been ameliorated by time and exposure to our own, and so many of the black youths don’t just feel but ARE segregated in society.

Why do Chinese and Indian immigrants commit far less crime than Blacks?

Because they do not generally face the same social conditions as the Black youths.

They do not face the same suspicion and social segregation as do Black youths and so do not feel so alienated towards society.

There’s far more “gang” related factors involved than skin or race related factors and the “gang” factors are down to the social segregation that they face day by day.

I think that you are concentrating far too much on the symptoms of the disease, and insufficiently on establishing what the REAL root cause of the disease is.

British-Conservatism

Where are all these white gangs in the deprived white areas?

As for Blacks they face no social segragation.
There isnt a white areas Blacks would not walk into in this country.
Perhaps only certain Pakistani and Bengali areas are no go for them.

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As for social depravation well i dont think anyone lives in such conditions in this country.

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The Bear

They’re there and they’re causing a problem. OK, the Tongs and the Fleet have faded into gentrification as their members have done the same, even Mad Frankie Fraser has sunk to respectability but their place is being taken by the Young Turks on the scene.

Oh come on, you’re “having a bubble”.

LOL! There certainly is one not too far from MY manor mate, it’s a sink housing estate where no one with less than six fingers on at least one hand and an affinity for banjo music goes, and I know a few more besides!

There are Islamified areas that are “no go” for any of us. Far too many and they’re getting bigger and joining up.

Now there’s a REAL problem, not simply frustrated hatred based on ignorance, bigotry, prejudice, probably more than a little paranoia, and even jealousy.

After all, there are those who believe that the phrase “hung like a Black Man” has more than one interpretation!

That explains a great deal. Mate, you should get out more.

BonnieDundee

Umm most geneticists reject the very idea of race.

And your comment really have pushed past the borderline into the heartland of racism. I'm willing to give a bit of free-reign but not much interested in people who think blacks are genetically more prone to crime.

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Stop telling lies.
The worlds leading genetisists believe in racial difference.

out of interest have you ever met or mixed with any Blacks?

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Where are all these young white gangs u talk of?
Where is this estate where Blacks fear to tread?
Where is this area of social depravation?

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BonnieDundee

Your racist site was not proof, have any other proof? And Stormfront and other white supremacist sites do not count.

Check this out.

IOL: Scientists prove that race does not exist

And this.

Genetically Speaking, Race Doesn't Exist In Humans


So do you in fact blacks are genetically more prone to crime? Because then you are in fact a racist and should be pelted with all kinds of garbage.

Washington - The idea of race is not reflected in a person's genes, Brazilian researchers said on Monday, confirming what scientists have long said - that race has no meaning genetically.A few in Cornwall and Australia.

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Dr. Neil Risch of Stanford University. His claims were surveyed in the New York Times Science section last month, and a good many of his colleagues are agreeing with him. Dr. Risch points out that some variations in human genetic endowment largely correspond to common ethnic and racial categories and, most importantly for his purposes, that the variations have immense medical significance.

In fact, that has long been known. As the Times article points out, Africans tend to have a genetic mutation that causes sickle cell anemia, while another that causes a certain metabolic disorder is rare among Chinese and Indians but present among Swedes. There are similar racial variations for such disorders or diseases as cystic fibrosis, Tay-Sachs syndrome and the ability to digest milk. Put simply, different racial groups inherit certain diseases or tendencies to contract them, and therefore there are genetic differences between the races. Race exists.

Dr. Risch isn't the only one saying this these days. As the Times notes,

“Many population geneticists ... say it is essential to take race and ethnicity into account to understand each group's specific pattern of disease and to ensure that everyone shares equally in the expected benefits of genomic medicine."

Dr. Risch argues that race

"has arisen because of the numerous small genetic differences that have developed in populations around the world,"

and he points to studies showing that

"these differences cluster into five major groups, which are simply the world's major continental areas."

Dr. Risch is not using his claim to justify donning a bedsheet, and so far nobody seems to have accused him of that (give them a little time, though).

His point is simply that denying the existence of race, largely for ideological reasons, is not only scientifically false but also medically harmful.

Knowing that racial variations in diseases exist is immensely helpful to doctors and researchers trying to cure or prevent the diseases.

Denying the reality of race doesn't advance such efforts. It's a little like trying to develop a space program if you assume the earth is flat and rests on the back of giant turtle.

The "race doesn't exist" school of thought, of course, has been invoked to discredit segregation, white supremacy and apartheid (though all of those institutions developed well before any scientific concept of race existed at all). But challenging and abandoning the very concept of race when white racial power was the target was not exactly consistent with programs like affirmative action that counted by race.

Nor were the supposed racial egalitarians able to do without the concept of race when they wanted to dole out special privileges and treatment for the races they favored.

In short, when whites used race to justify and entrench their privileges, race didn't exist; when non-whites used race to justify and entrench theirs, it did.

Denying that race exists, therefore, doesn't mean that it can't be used to serve a particular group's political agenda, nor does affirming that race does exist necessarily imply that it will or should be used to serve another group's agenda.

It does mean that scientists, of all people, ought to face the truth about what they study.

And it also means that race may mean more than differences in diseases. If race "has arisen because of the numerous small genetic differences that have developed in populations around the world," then there logically ought to be other differences between the races than merely their proclivity to different health problems.

Each race, developing in a different environment, came into existence because of the need to adapt to such environments. It makes sense to believe that there may be many other differences between the races in addition to those we are—painfully—finally acknowledging as real.

Now that we know that race is real, the thing for serious scientists to do is to stop denying its existence and get on with finding out what else is real about it.

Once we know what race really means—not just for disease and health but also for intelligence, temperament and behavior—we'll be able to forget about some agendas and pursue others that are based on something closer to scientific reality than to racial and political ideology.

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