Mikeuk

MBA = Means bugg*r All.

An able and experienced boss don't need to hang a certificate on the wall to prove his credentials.

Yet another undesirable American import. We can bracket it with managementspeak and the infamous 'Common Purpose' brainwashing organisation.

Mikeuk

All the time one has to look back to better times. This is because of the continual erosion of liberty which has taken place, arguably, over centuries.

For my family the best times preceded the usurpation of the British throne by German interlopers and their corrupt placemen. That's three centuries ago!

But in recent times the age of Thatcher was enjoyable, because in so many ways she wanted to put the clock back. and in some ways she did - for a while.

Since her betrayal the onward march of the scumocracy has continued.

The Bear

I disagree for a whole raft of reasons, and least of all because I have been awarded the degree.

It's got SAF to do with "hanging a certificate on the wall" though if you meet with someone who has then you know at once the common ground you can work from right from the start.

The work involved, especially the main project, is chosen to take you out from your “comfort zone” and those things that you are accustomed to or in which you have experience so enlarging knowledge of areas and aspects of management that you might otherwise never get the opportunity to experience and so otherwise be the less competent in your own field of knowledge.

Then there is the opportunity that you get to engage with others in examining subjects and aspects of management so enabling you to learn from their experience.

The list must goes on and on. I was a bit long in the tooth to go on the course but be honest I did it in the expectation of maybe needing to take on some part time work after retiring early. I wish I had studied for the qualification years previously, especially at the Institution that I did.

What I would now be interested in is how you linked in your mind that particular qualification with your assertion that I was in some way Left Wing and what you describe as being “Marxist”

Maybe you would care to explain what you understand as Marxism?

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Mikeuk

Well why not practice what you preach and send your diploma to the Third World? I'm sure they'll find some use for it.

Ahhh. 'Comfort Zone'... Let's play Bullsh*t Bingo. What next Empowerment? Customer Focus? Synergy?

Read my previous posts (and some of what Olympic Flame has written) The new Frankfurt School pick-n-mix Marxism is tailor-made for yuppies, managers and other members of the bourgeoisie who want to wear their hearts on their sleeves without having to get their hands dirty.

In that respect it's not so different from the Marxism of Animal Farm or the old Kremlin where some of the comrades got dachas and limos to show they were just a bit more equal than the others.

BonnieDundee

Where I come from the older generation still make toasts to the "King over the water."

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How to Overthrow the System: brew your own beer; kick in your TV; build your own cabin and p*ss off front porch whenever you bloody well feel like it.
Edward Abbey

Leopold Kohr.

BonnieDundee

Similar kinds of socialism are as old as socialism itself.

George Orwell was and remained a socialist, one quite similar, although he properly didn't have much time for intellectualising, to the Frankfurt school.

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"It is poor civic hygiene to install technologies that could someday facilitate a police state."
-Bruce Schneier

How to Overthrow the System: brew your own beer; kick in your TV; build your own cabin and p*ss off front porch whenever you bloody well feel like it.
Edward Abbey

Leopold Kohr.

The Bear

Then diploma in itself means nothing. What you must do to get as a result of the work needed to gain the diploma and is what counts and what delivers the goods.

Only if you can demonstrate that you know and understand what they mean. Since you are unable to come up with YOUR definition even of your much used term "Marxism" but instead prevaricate I won't be holding my breath.

The Marxism (if that is what you think the driving force behind Animal Farm is), is a long way removed from the things that you whinge about.

This time, using the (imagined) attributes that you decide indicate a "Marxist" attitude, try again.

BTW, I would also be interested in your understanding of “bourgeois”. Judging by the implicit contempt that you associate in the way that you use it it is plain that your understanding of the meaning is at best off key, and quite probably unique.

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Mikeuk

Individually these 'managementspeak' terms are at worst meaningless, and at best synonyms dignifying concepts that are totally banal.

Collectively they form a 'secret language' separating a self-styled elect from the uninitiated. It's just a more sophisticated version of the playground catcall 'I know something you don't'.

No surprise that members of this supposed elite are encouraged to think in PC terms, and PC = Frankfurt School = Pick-n-mix Marxism. We don't need to go through Das Kapital line by line. Your sanctimonious waffle about 'racism' marks you out as a graduate of the Pick-n-mix school. Were you and your parents really concerned about such matters when you were growing up in the '50s and '60s? I doubt it. Reprogramming came later.

The fact that those who say they believe in equality are almost invariably rather more equal than their fellows is all par for the course. In a society where the gap between rich and poor is greater than it has been for decades egalitarians need to be pretty seriously myopic.

I have seen a number of perfectly normal people go through management training reprogramming and emerge as brainwashed PC idiots. Talk to any normal policeman and he'll tell the same story in spades.

I'm afraid that I tended to be a somewhat disruptive influence when the powers-that-be inflicted managerial-style courses on my department. As senior TU rep I made sure that these timewasting exercises were curtailed at appropriate times, usually when the guest bullsh*tter was in full flow.

Very likely. I would define the bourgeoisie as that part of the brainless common herd that is raised above The Great Unwashed by personal hygiene alone.

Mikeuk

Yes, but never before has it become the totally dominant force in society, as it is today.

Yes. it's right to remind those moronic Tories who claim Orwell as one of their own that Orwell remained a Socialist, a fact which strengthens the power of his critique.

Today, however, a man who wrote 'I should like to put it on record that I have never been able to dislike Hitler' would instantly find himself en route to PC oblivion.

Mikeuk

That's what I like to hear. Now let's get rid of this bunch of German wasters. The ones who use RAF helicopters - at our expense - to visit the Isle of Wight for a spot of nookie.

You can get shot of them in the name of a more equal society for all I care. There's certainly no chance of equality as long as they continue to sponge off us.