Frith

Hitler thought he meant well. He thought this more usefully and normally when he was younger and before psychosis set in. He was very ill. He became paranoid. These things interfere with anyone's moral functioning. Hitler allowed hatred to get out into the world, closely attended by evil, by projection onto others of the things he hated in himself and in Germany. As time and his illness progressed, he and Germany became one and he began to try to eradicate imperfection from the earth, failing to look in the mirror, or rather failing to see himself and seeing instead some beautiful homoerotic Aryan godman instead.

This is what ye wanted to be and so it is what he wanted all Germans to become. Naturally what followed was an attempt, through political manipulation, to make of Germany the model of the futuristic golden godmen of a perfect society, without blemish or defect and possessed of the keys of the kingdom of capability. Modern neo nazis almost all fall for this dream. You can see it in all their longing for power and glory in a shedding of the perceived (and often imagined) weakness and degeneration they find in the world. Often, they are force fed this dream by others and fortunately many give up the whole terrible hallucination and come back to earth and live normally again. Those who don't, or can't, continue to poison the wells of the dispossessed and the angry, knowing that this is where they will find the potential to make that dream reality. It's really a cult now but it became a whole nation's shame and destruction in 1939.

I believe every creature has a decision making centre. I believe humans have an advanced one because they can think and have language and volition beyond their instincts. Well, most of them, anyway.

But we come in various kinds. Some of us are passive, others active, some are morally inclined, others seemingly devoid of moral discrimination. Too many factors influence this for it to be worth worrying about in terms of your concerns in this post.

What matters is whether the individual can discern right from wrong in a way that transcends mere learning or cultural contexts and act or not act by means of his or her own volition. This is the hero personality of legend, the one that stands alone, speaks out and never leaves his post. The old berserker of the Viking myths and histories and the hero of the German legends and the Celtic myths. Lugh the sword bearer, and sun being, the saviour figure, the light, etc. It is these positive, strong masculine features that make up what can be used from the moral centre in men.

Women, of course, as you know, are from another constellation and act and work in mysterious ways. But they do act and they have many ways of doing this. Men have the path of the sun before them, the road of sharp rocks or the ocean of dangerous monsters. They need to navigate and cut paths, they need this because it is in their nature.

So when someone like Hitler, a small boring looking individual with a complex psychology regarding masculinity and destiny and heroism and connections to the past, decides one day that he will seize the moment and that he is the hero and all he needs is the conditions and the war band and he can break through and act, he does. The rest was a litany of misery and disaster, interspersed with genius and evolution in science and technology. A time not to be repeated soon, a time slotted into a complicated series of fissures in European self-consciousness.

What is problematic is Hitler's effect on people who should have known better. He gained power not from his own centre but from the combined support of others. Some were ignorant of his underlying and hidden ambitions, it's true and many were forced into the war machine. But still, if only people had listened when the voices of warning had spoken out. They are almost always there. It just depends on whether anyone wants to hear them.

I understand your position entirely and you should have that right. If you don't have it, then like the Tibetans, you may have to take the risks involved in getting your message across. We each have different methodology that best suits our nature.

I'm just sorry more people aren't more spiritually generous and can't make room for those who maybe speak their warnings and messages in a different kind of language.

If you were a tradesman at a fair, I would stop and look at your wares. I may buy something I liked, put it alongside my collection of treasures when I got home. Because there is always something special about the thing made by hand infused with the spirit of the artisan. If you take time and watch your purchase it will speak to you in its own language. But this is something that takes time and dedication to learn how to accomplish. It requires that we see with different eyes and comprehend from less known centres, travel a few of the untrodden roads in our soulscape to discover the soulscape of another in his words and creations.

I have no axe to grind with you or your beliefs. You are free to hold them and talk about them. At least you would be on my narrow boat. But then my narrow boat goes on canals that don't show up on maps.

youcanhandlethetruth

Thanks for your reply Frith, it's always nice to receive a large and eloquent reply in reponse - a very thoughtful individual you are.

I wish I had time to do the same kind of reply (many of my posts are long, however but they mainly concern Al Quaeda ).

I feel quite envious of your "que-sera" "laissez faire" attitude Frith, I have to be honest.

Your attitude is one we probably should all take time to consider in the grand scheme of this incredible journey called life.
You do indeed speak a lot of philosophical truth and we can learn a lot of wisdom from you, but being honest with you, I just don't know what to do with much of it......

I just can't take time to sit on the sidelines, think there's nothing I can do and see a shakespearean play unfold
I commend you for your superb style and graceful attitude, but personally believe there are more important attitudes at stake.

Please don't think I'm criticizing you though - I wish there were more people like you Frith, I really do - people can take your opinions with good faith.

What I mean is this:

You said:
"What is problematic is Hitler's effect on people who should have known better. He gained power not from his own centre but from the combined support of others. Some were ignorant of his underlying and hidden ambitions, it's true and many were forced into the war machine. But still, if only people had listened when the voices of warning had spoken out. They are almost always there. It just depends on whether anyone wants to hear them."


This is exactly the problem we could be facing right now, maybe not in one, two or even ten years time but if you examine history and see the same mistakes and attitudes being created and re-written NOW, then that then becomes a warning from history doomed to repeat itself.

I could cite you many examples from history and apply them to today's world but I am tired to repeat my large library of information stored in my tiny head to every passing soul (actually just do a search on my posts ! )

If you feel that the universe cannot be stopped through the changing of attitudes then I beg to disagree with you, but I concede it takes more than one person the change the world(especialy on this forum ! )

If I may leave you with something that sums up what maybe I am trying to do....... Maybe you can relate to it more than me

100th Monkey

Remember I will always appreciate your thoughtfulness

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Frith

Wonderful story, YCHTT! I am definitely one of those interesting apes. And I see you aspire to be one too. I naturally understand you even better now, and I hope that you can, through this tale you sent, understand me too. I too wash potatoes, I just do this in my own way.

Altruism, the love of truth and beauty and the search for understanding finds each 100th monkey differently. I see deeply into you, now. Thank you.

The world is full of monkeys, I agree, not all washing potatoes but mostly showcasing other people's dirty potatoes for everyone else to hate and criticise.

Still, evolution produces the 100th monkey in every age. Spirit produces the 100th sage. Love produces the 100th sacrifice.

Courage bequeaths the 100th hero.

Blessings,

Frith.

youcanhandlethetruth

Well I am not sure if it is me who is the monkey !
Suppose you could argue that !

Maybe that is perhaps my hope in some consequential way.....
Of course I seriously doubt this forum is any stage I may have imagined but maybe I will more content to gain personal satisfacation through discussion than going on some personal crusade.

By the way I have just replied to your post on the "De-culture" thread - my apologies, I didn't see you had posted until only recently.

Thanks for your comments.

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Frith

We are Royal Apes whether we like it or not.

youcanhandlethetruth

Speak for yourself !

We are not all court jesters.
Some people actually believe they have important contributions they wish to share.

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Culturism

The problem is the regulation for the posting forum. Yes. We should not be racist. Racism is stupid and dangerous. But then it even hangs as a fear inspiring warning against all of us non-racists.

Whereas racism is evil, culturism is necessary. Some cultural traits are anti-social. The economic explanation does not cut it. Pip was never rude or violent. We cannot be silent about cultural diversity.

Yes, no racist posts should be allowed. But silencing culturist posts about cultural diversity is dangerous.

Culturism

Frith

You have changed your approach. Who has crept into your mailbox? Why can't you think for yourself?

HighlandFP

very well said Youcan handle the Truth.

QUOTE:
"Whilst they stir up anti-Brit feeling amongst muslims by using them to act as provacateurs, we are fed the similar anti-islamic stories through the media and the tension builds and builds until it escalates into civil war and the real enemy who created it all slips off into the shadows....

All in an attempt to destroy us Brits and create a climate of racial fear to destroy our society and take away our rights."

YUP

also
Church official beat girls aged 9 and 13 with belt.
Scottish Christian News Monitor : Church official beat girls aged 9 and 13 with belt

I wonder if this was a racial attack?

Scottish Christian News Monitor : Crime

Scottish Christian.com Crime ReportS

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youcanhandlethetruth

Thank you HighlandFP.

Without the specific facts regarding the case it's difficult to say but I notice it said "originally charged with striking a 13-year-old girl on the face" but the headline is "Church official beat girls aged 9 and 13 with belt"

Judging by the things people had to say about her, she hardly sounds a bad person but you never know.
Having said that equally it wouldn't suprise me if they were looking to charge her especially as the only the second paragraph makes the statement:

"Roger Webb, defending, told Portree Sheriff Court: "She is a deeply religious person. She had taken a fairly biblical interpretation of chastisement"

Hmmm, demonizing christianity maybe ?

I wouldn't be at all suprised.....

After all christianity is an enemy of the state !

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