Forced Marriges of U16

C_steam · 06-03-2008, 11:31 AM

From the BBC:-

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More than 30 girls are missing from schools in Bradford despite efforts to track them down, MPs have been told.
Authorities suspect 33 children from the city have been "taken abroad to participate in forced marriages", Labour MP Keith Vaz said.

BBC NEWS | UK | Lost girls in 'forced marriages'

Hate to say it, but haven't the BNP been on about this for years?

Zak64 · 06-03-2008, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by C_steam

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Hate to say it, but haven't the BNP been on about this for years?

Yes probably. But there is something you don't understand.

If the BNP complain about young (Asian - I'm willing to bet) girls being forced into arranged marriages and then being further forced to bring a spouse in from the sub continent - it's Raaaaaaacist!

But if Keith Vaz complains about the same practice it's perfectly acceptable. Not that aything will ever be done about by this government. More immigrants means more votes for pro immigration parties such as Liebour.

The Bear · 06-03-2008, 02:10 PM

British elections are won and lost in marginal seats. Go figure.

mkpdavies · 07-03-2008, 04:56 PM

Nick Ferarri was having a go about this on LBC today. He had a woman from Karma Nivarna, who campaign against this sort of thing.

She was saying the government weren't doing enough, but Nick was saying the "Asian community" should be addressing it themselves. It was quite nice to here a number of Asians call themselves British and rip into this practice. It was even better hearing them say why they think the issue wasn't being tackled.

They put it down to political correctness scaring white people into silence. There is a definite swing in attitude to PC and its destructiveness at the moment.

Vortex · 07-03-2008, 06:25 PM

Its the very practice of forced marriages that underlines the absurdity of multi-culturalism. Many Asian girls born and bred here do not want to become part of it, but their parents and others adhere to it. Family and community conflict ensues, sometimes resulting in assaults and worse.

The Bear · 09-03-2008, 08:03 AM

Never mind forced marriages, though the practice if suspected should be investigated at the point of supplying visas for the beneficiary, worry more about why the police or other bodies are not following up when such a thing is suspected or reported , the law is in place to do so already.

Section 12c of the Matrimonial Causes Act 1973 reads “ A marriage shall be voidable if "either party to the marriage did not validly consent to it, whether in consequence or duress, mistake, unsoundness of mind or otherwise".

In this case 'Voidable' means that the marriage is valid until it is challenged by one of the parties, at which time the court can aware a decree of nullity invalidating the marriage.

Maybe there needs to be a minor change whereby the marriage can be investigated by the police under criminal rather than civil law if a forced marriage is suspected to have taken place. Maybe there needs to be an advertising campaign run in the press.

The point is that there is legislation in place but it is not being used by the authorities.

What I consider to be a far more serious matter is the practice of female genital mutilation, sometimes and wrongly called female circumcision. I read an item on this in another forum some time back and will try to find it. It was an eye opener to me.

It’s way past time that “cultural sensitivities” were focused one hundred percent on OUR culture and not savage and alien ideologies that are infecting our nation.

C_steam · 09-03-2008, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bear

What I consider to be a far more serious matter is the practice of female genital mutilation, sometimes and wrongly called female circumcision. ...It’s way past time that “cultural sensitivities” were focused one hundred percent on OUR culture and not savage and alien ideologies that are infecting our nation.

Agreed 100%. And let's not forget ritual slaughter and the whole 'halal' industry.

The Bear · 09-03-2008, 03:16 PM

GOT IT!

Had to look around quite a bit but I think it's worth while.

I've also had permission from the originator of this item to reproduce it here as long as I do so in its complete form, which I am doing

He writes ....

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I’ve got a bit of a fixation about Female Genital Mutilation, so often and wrongly called “Female Circumcision”.

Female circumcision is actually a procedure that is occasionally called for in the case of a condition called “Hooded Clitoris”.

This is a condition where the equivalent of the foreskin on a man that shields the clitoris is abnormally thick or has an abnormally small opening so that the clitoris receives little (or no) stimulation during sex, and can even become infected.

The treatment is often not even surgical, or in the case where surgery is required a simple small cut to open the skin is all that is required.

Female Genital Mutilation as another thing entirely.

Female Genital Mutilation (FGM) is an appalling abuse of women that is endemic amongst several nations, and despite what is said is at least acquiesced to in Islam and in some cases and in some sects as near to being mandatory as makes no odds.

That, combined with the selfishness of so many Muslim men and their contempt for women by seeing them as having lesser value than men, results in a virtual 100% prevalence in some (particularly African) countries.

But what IS FGM?

In essence it is the excision of parts of the female external sex organs, in many cases including the clitoris itself.

Not my words, but a very description of the of female genital mutilation, ---

“--- imagine if the entire head of the man’s penis were cut off with a broken razor blade, a piece of broken glass, or a penknife.

Then the remainder of the penis was pushed into the scrotum and his scrotum stitched up over it so that it was completely unreachable though provision was made in order for the man to urinate.

Then, years later, imagine a woman to whom he would be bound to for life whipping out a knife, slicing open the now healed scar on his scrotum, extracting the remaining part of his penis, and then lowering herself onto the headless stump for a short selfish shag to satisfy herself while he, receiving no pleasure at all, tried to choke down his screams out of fear of being beaten”

So why is it done?

In part because Mohammed did not condemn it when he encountered a female who practiced the “art”, and because in desensitising the woman it is supposed to ensure her modesty and reduce the likelihood of her “straying” from her husband.

It also is said to enhance the sex act for her man as a result of the resection of the vaginal entrance making it smaller.

In addition there are all sorts of Old Wives Tales about how it prevents everything from halitosis to cancer, but the reality is that none of these are true.

Unlike the case of male circumcision where there are proven health gains by being circumcised, the exact opposite is true of FGM and apart from the unbelievable pain suffered by the girl being mutilated death is far from being uncommon for a variety of causes ranging from shock to infection.

Should we be particularly concerned?

I believe that we should as apart from simple humanity there is a question that should be being asked of our politicians.

GIVEN THAT FGM is illegal in Britain and GIVEN THAT when a child is seen by a doctor or in a hospital any signs of non-accidental physical injury is observed an investigation involving the support services up to and including the police is put in train ….. then WHY IS IT that when children and juveniles who are presented for treatment and FGM is seen to have taken place there have so far in the UK been no prosecutions of parents and guardians of these injured children?

It is inconceivable that with the thousands of people in the UK who have been subject to FGM, many who have been taken out of the UK and even the EU in order to get around the existing legislation, a substantial number of cases of girls suffering from FGM have not been met in our hospitals and GP surgeries.

Would it not therefore be appropriate for our government to instigate a purge on this most awful form of child abuse, or is it that the government are simply too intent on not upsetting the people who have this thing done to their children.

There are questions that need to be put to our government, the most obvious being why is it that there so far has not been a single prosecution in the UK for the FGM of a child, at least at the latest time that I have been able to trace there had not and that was July of this year.

Maybe this is another subject to raise during “pub” and workplace discussions regarding just why the government are ignoring what is taking place in the Muslim colonies in order to further spread the word about what is being ignored out of a sense of fear or political expediency, or simply political correctness.

Related articles and sites

New Fgm Worry (from East London and West Essex Guardian Series)

BBC NEWS | UK | Girls still facing 'life of pain'

just two of many.

And what does FGM look like?

http://aussie_news_views.typepad.com...mages/fgm1.jpg

http://img69.exs.cx/img69/5982/femcirc1.jpg

g hall · 11-03-2008, 08:44 PM

Ah the benefits of multiculturalism and diversity nice to see it biting it's main proponents right on the ar5e

MagnaCarta · 15-03-2008, 03:48 PM

Who would of thought this could happen in Britain? Its a disgrace and this practice really needs more media attention to distract the fantasy of 'Multicultural Britain is good' rubbish the MP's push down our throats every time an immigration / muslim debate is raised.

This proves that Islam is nothing but barbaric and acts like this should be treated as a sex crime and the condoning of Muslim men being able to start relationships with girls as young as 9. The hating of Jews and Christians should come under anti-religious laws this pathetic Government introduced but does it? They preach this openly in mosques and on the street outside the London Hospital and Mile End every day. Where are the Police when they openly hand out leaflets declaring Jihad and Death to westerners?

Our recent Labour Laws are a total farce. Who is it really about? Who are they protecting? Why? Get to the root of these answers and you'd probably not believe it. You'll probably just brush it off as a conspiracy.

I don't know about you but I don't want Islamic culture in this country just as Islamic countries detest our cultures. I have the right to defend my culture in which way I think fit. But it seems its perfectly acceptable for Muslims to defend their culture with suicide bombers, dressing young children up in militaria and handing them weapons, painting spilt blood on their faces and then go out on the streets banging their heads and whipping their backs like demented demons. Is this normal culture? Do you want this in your country? The Government spew out rubbish like 'There are moderate Muslims' this country has lots. It seems these are the ones to be concerned about, not the ones demonstrating on the streets but the ones who take professional jobs and study, just like the Glasgow airport bombers. People here are blinded by PC talk and are sh*t scared of their own shadows, frightened that they are not going to offend or be labelled a criminal by the New Labour Laws that have made it impossible to stay an upstanding citizen, that is unless you sit at home all day and don't converse with anyone.

What a state we are in!

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mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 30,615	Nick Ferarri was having a go about this on LBC today. He had a woman from Karma Nivarna, who campaign against this sort of thing. She was saying the government weren't doing enough, but Nick was saying the "Asian community" should be addressing it themselves. It was quite nice to here a number of Asians call themselves British and rip into this practice. It was even better hearing them say why they think the issue wasn't being tackled. They put it down to political correctness scaring white people into silence. There is a definite swing in attitude to PC and its destructiveness at the moment. __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

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MagnaCarta Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Londonstani, United Emirates Of England. Posts: 23	Who would of thought this could happen in Britain? Its a disgrace and this practice really needs more media attention to distract the fantasy of 'Multicultural Britain is good' rubbish the MP's push down our throats every time an immigration / muslim debate is raised. This proves that Islam is nothing but barbaric and acts like this should be treated as a sex crime and the condoning of Muslim men being able to start relationships with girls as young as 9. The hating of Jews and Christians should come under anti-religious laws this pathetic Government introduced but does it? They preach this openly in mosques and on the street outside the London Hospital and Mile End every day. Where are the Police when they openly hand out leaflets declaring Jihad and Death to westerners? Our recent Labour Laws are a total farce. Who is it really about? Who are they protecting? Why? Get to the root of these answers and you'd probably not believe it. You'll probably just brush it off as a conspiracy. I don't know about you but I don't want Islamic culture in this country just as Islamic countries detest our cultures. I have the right to defend my culture in which way I think fit. But it seems its perfectly acceptable for Muslims to defend their culture with suicide bombers, dressing young children up in militaria and handing them weapons, painting spilt blood on their faces and then go out on the streets banging their heads and whipping their backs like demented demons. Is this normal culture? Do you want this in your country? The Government spew out rubbish like 'There are moderate Muslims' this country has lots. It seems these are the ones to be concerned about, not the ones demonstrating on the streets but the ones who take professional jobs and study, just like the Glasgow airport bombers. People here are blinded by PC talk and are sht scared of their own shadows, frightened that they are not going to offend or be labelled a criminal by the New Labour Laws that have made it impossible to stay an upstanding citizen, that is unless you sit at home all day and don't converse with anyone. What a state we are in! __________________ face the facts at www.sickbritain.com Save Basil Brush Campaign* Last edited by MagnaCarta; 15-03-2008 at 03:51 PM.

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06-03-2008, 02:10 PM	#3 (permalink)
The Bear Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: East Anglia Posts: 1,777	British elections are won and lost in marginal seats. Go figure.

07-03-2008, 06:25 PM	#5 (permalink)
Vortex Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 666 Party: BNP	Its the very practice of forced marriages that underlines the absurdity of multi-culturalism. Many Asian girls born and bred here do not want to become part of it, but their parents and others adhere to it. Family and community conflict ensues, sometimes resulting in assaults and worse.

09-03-2008, 08:03 AM	#6 (permalink)
The Bear Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: East Anglia Posts: 1,777	Never mind forced marriages, though the practice if suspected should be investigated at the point of supplying visas for the beneficiary, worry more about why the police or other bodies are not following up when such a thing is suspected or reported , the law is in place to do so already. Section 12c of the Matrimonial Causes Act 1973 reads “ A marriage shall be voidable if "either party to the marriage did not validly consent to it, whether in consequence or duress, mistake, unsoundness of mind or otherwise". In this case 'Voidable' means that the marriage is valid until it is challenged by one of the parties, at which time the court can aware a decree of nullity invalidating the marriage. Maybe there needs to be a minor change whereby the marriage can be investigated by the police under criminal rather than civil law if a forced marriage is suspected to have taken place. Maybe there needs to be an advertising campaign run in the press. The point is that there is legislation in place but it is not being used by the authorities. What I consider to be a far more serious matter is the practice of female genital mutilation, sometimes and wrongly called female circumcision. I read an item on this in another forum some time back and will try to find it. It was an eye opener to me. It’s way past time that “cultural sensitivities” were focused one hundred percent on OUR culture and not savage and alien ideologies that are infecting our nation.