youcanhandlethetruth

I think I remember that sketch !

Well, I guess it probably isn't as easy as it should be to vote - if you're homless for example you probably can't.
But then again, given the choice of the three main political parties, does it really matter or not (from the establishment point of view I mean) ?

Though they claim more people should get involved, I think it's more a case of turning people off getting involved in grassroots political participation.

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The Bear

Is there not a bottom line?

Whilst there is a single person in the UK who is other than homeless by choice (and it must be accepted that some people are) then not a single home should be made available to a non British person until our OWN people are housed?

And that those who are in the UK who “broke in” in by having first crossed Europe and therefore by definition safe countries should be returned immediately and automatically to the port of embarkation of the means of travel that they employed to get here and with no question of any appeal?

The question then should be getting asked “why the hell has this not been done?”

Besoeker

Fine.
Cite the posts where I've made dishonest statements and I'll apologise for them.
That's a fair offer, isn't it?

In the same spirit, if you can't find any, that would imply it is your allegation that is dishonest and you should retract it.

But I'm not holding my breath on either count........

Besoeker

Totally agree with that, Bear.
The point you made about those who got into UK as asylum seekers from other European countries is one I have made before.
You will probably recal the camps at Sangatte (sp?) and those who risked their lives "escaping" from France to get to UK. I don't suppose many were sent back.

youcanhandlethetruth

Why do people show sistain for asylum seekers but have open arms towards immigrants ?

Becasue the immigrants "contribute" by paying tax ?

Ok fair point, but let's not pretend you care about anything except the money in your own pocket in that case.

There are fake asylum seekers of course but there are some genuine ones you know ? If we don't help them, are we happy for them be be tortured in heir own country ? Or will we pass the buck to other nations ?

Bottom line - the government have got the cash to house everybody (if they wanted to)

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Robin

No they haven`t. The cash goes to the EU.

Besoeker

I suppose some people might see it that way. I don’t.
On asylum seekers….
Of course we, UK, should offer asylum to those fleeing a country where they are at risk of torture. But, to reiterate what the Bear fellow said, fleeing a European country to UK can’t generally be sensibly considered as a genuine asylum seeking. That’s why I mentioned Sangatte. A couple of related, if somewhat dated articles:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2002/may/23/immigration.immigrationandpublicservices1
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/2003399.stm
It rather begs the question of why some asylum seekers, if they are genuinely fleeing terror, should so desperately want to get to UK from France.

On immigration…
Illegal immigration is just not acceptable. Unfortunately, it sometimes takes an incident like the Morecambe Bay cockle fishing tragedy to bring the problem to the attention of the public. Given that it is illegal, only the cases that are discovered will be recorded so statistics on this are likely to be significantly under reported.
Legal immigration from the EU is a different problem. Economic migration is part of that. If an immigrant from say, Romania can do a skilled job in UK as well as a UK citizen but is prepared to do it at a significantly lower wage rate, then an employer is surely going to take that into account. There was a thread about this disparity a little while ago.
I don’t know what the answer is. Romania looses a skilled worker thus gets poorer. UK gets a low paid worker so wages get eroded. Maybe, as I said in the other thread, we are pricing ourselves out of the market. Or maybe UK is not training sufficient numbers for the skills in demand. Youngsters (<40) in my field are thin on the ground.

youcanhandlethetruth

Referring to your Sangette article:

"It has attracted thousands of would-be asylum seekers, and the people traffickers who exploit their dreams of a new life.

So these are not genuine asylum seekers.

If the government decides to let in asylum seekers who don't deserve to be here, that is their fault.

It is also their fault if they allow them to slip in the UK without an asylum application.

Unless they are genuine asylum seekers who have been given permission to gain asylum in the UK, then the government is to blame on both counts.

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youcanhandlethetruth

Another point....

You say:
"Or maybe UK is not training sufficient numbers for the skills in demand"

Look at the very first paragraph of the Telegraph article:

"Almost nine in 10 new jobs created over the past decade have been taken by foreign-born workers despite a sharp increase in the number of skilled British workers, official figures show."

So the answer should be obvious - restrict immigration and allow more opportunity for young British people to work in these jobs.

As Frank Field says in the article:

"What the Government needs to do is face up to the fact that we need to restrict the movement of labour from eastern Europe.

"We had the ability to do that, but now we would need to ask the European Commission for permission. And the Government seems unwilling to do that."

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Besoeker

That was exactly my point. If they were in Sangatte, they can't have been genuine asylum seekers.