youcanhandlethetruth

Bear's comments:

"Fill vacancies with British people, make it a requirement to earn every penny of state aid a person gets unless genuinely incapacitated to do any available work, and the immigration issue will ease overnight."

Will it ease ? I wouldn't be so sure - the whole point is the government are not trying to fill a skills gap becasue there are already skilled workers here(read the article). Whilst some people are lazy and spongers, maybe the real reason for mass immigration is to create racial tension amongst the uneducated and to bring down the standard of living for British people - that's the real goal.

"Actually not all that much. It could be phased in starting with those in their final years at school plus the under 25’s, and then a rolling program introduced to deliver the goods over a number of years."

So you're ruling out all immigrants over 25 to start off with I see.
You may say it won't cost much, but anything that covers the entire population is never cheap, and all for a selective process on who has the right to vote ?
I've a better idea - scrap the burden to the taxpayer and let everyone who has been in the country for 10/15 years vote - much cheaper and fairer.
For someone who objects to spongers, you willing to put the taxpayer through the mire on this one !

"As for the odd sod parties, I would much prefer to see a formal two party state, but if the present system were to remain the smaller parties would be better positioned to present whatever weird and wonderful things they brought to the table by having a better educated and aware electorate to decide on the value of what was being offered."

What about parties that don't even exist yet ? How can you prejudge them and say they are weird ? And if it is the government teaching about political parties, then obviously they're going to be biased towards themselves aren't they ? I think it's a ridiculous suggestion.
It's similar to how they expect the taxpayer to fund political parties - why should a taxpayer fund a party he doesn't agree with and doesn't represent his interests (like 88% wanting an EU referendum for example)

To be fair I thought your general point about burdening the tax payer has some truth, but whether this is the main area of government over-spending is very debatable indeed.
Why not just scrap trident or even better, our membership of the EU.
We'd be a lot better off, and would lose absolutely nothing becasue of it )

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Besoeker

So why bring it in to the thread?

youcanhandlethetruth

For the reason I already stated above.

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Besoeker

OK. So you were addressing your presumption of the ignorance of others?

youcanhandlethetruth

I've already explained my reasons.
If you want to sh*t stir and put words in my mouth that's up to you.
The trouble is, some people are actually foolish enough to believe your spiteful and politically correct propaganda.

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mkpdavies

Use the ignore feature Luke.

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Besoeker

I think that's your style rather than mine.
Exactly what propaganda did I post? What was spiteful? What was politically correct?
Be specific and direct. Cite specific posts.
You make such allegations yet can't support them.

Hartlepool

ychtt,avoid feeding such.

Every time you spend time composing what you wish to say,these people quickly come back with a dishonest one liner,usually avoiding what you have said.

Trolls,easy as A,B,C really.

A=Akria
B=Bersoeker
C=Clotto

youcanhandlethetruth

Obviously it bothers him enough to keep popping up for more arguments

Apparently now I am the sh*t stirrer when he deliberately comes on to the thread here to make snide innuendo.
Of course he never has any comment about the subject thread of course.

"Interesting"......

Bring it on.......

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Little Englander (sour)

Stripping the unemployed of the vote reminds of a sketch (or it may have been a film) performed by Peter Cook, he played the part of the Prime Minister and at a cabinet meeting declared that he had the solution to the high unemployment figures - kill the unemployed - cut to long queues of unemployed at Beachy Head cliffs, waiting their turn to jump.
Seriously though, not enough of the electorate participate as it is, barring the unemployed would surely make matters worse, think of the conspiracy theories if there was mass unemployment and it really wasn't the government's fault.

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