HighlandFP

When, last year I was Homeless and visiting the Coooncil Offices,
a polish couple were filling in their Votres Role papers.
I who have stood in many many elections,
DIDNT have a vote as I was Homeless.

Funny ol' world.

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The Bear

I’ve long held the opinion that there should be a more substantial qualification to vote in the UK than there is.

The principle that the unemployed can have a say in who governs the nation is frankly absurd. Something about “no representation without taxation” should be a starting point for reform.

So is the thought that someone should have a say who has not born in the UK and anyone else who has not demonstrated in some formal way that they are numerate and literate and able to understand what the main parties promote.

As for immigration, if any government of the day were to bite the bullet and crack down, and I mean BIG TIME on the “don’t work – won’t work” lot, as well as the women who see getting “knocked up” as a free ticket to a house and a life on “benefits” which so many now do as a career choice, then there would not be vacancies that immigrants could fill.

No vacancies in the private sector? No option but basic social security payments? Fine, but then they should work in the community to earn those Social Security payments.

Just as “no representation without taxation” should apply so “no payments without working for them” should be in place. It’s farcical that we let the idle swine sit around and get tax payers money for doing nothing.

But of course no government would go down such a road.

They just know that such a policy would guarantee them being booted out come the next election as the social slobs used their undeserved votes.

No, good luck to the Poles and others who come here to do the jobs the Brits are too bone idle to do, and good luck to them for having a say in who rules the country in which they are working and paying taxes.

And a plague on the idle slobs who just ponce off the rest of us and continue to have a say in how WE have to live.

youcanhandlethetruth

No wonder the country is going down the toilet if people listen to pro-government views like yours...

In typical New Labour fashion, you've turned round the burden the taxpayer has to endure by supporting immigration into an attack on those who are the most affected by immigration and the problems it creates.

Most people would say it is the immigrants who are sponging off the state getting handouts, and causing employment problems yet you totally support them.

Your statement "there would not be vacancies that immigrants could fill"
The government are purposefully creating the employment problem, not the unemployed.
Passing the buck again onto the most vulnerable - typical pro-government tactic....

Even if we are to agree with you and your ridiculous suggestion "anyone else who has not demonstrated in some formal way that they are numerate and literate and able to understand what the main parties promote." how much is that going to cost the taxpayer in organizing ?!!!

Are you suggesting:
People have to pass GCSE maths in order to vote ?
People need to take a "main political parties" test ? [Note also no mention is made of smaller political parties that represent Britains interests a lot more]

In fact, you're probably contradicting yourself in part by saying people should be able literate, numerate and know about main political parties(!) but also saying "good luck to the Poles for having a say in who rules the country"

How many Poles will have all the criteria you state they should have in order to vote ? How many of them can even speak fluent English to the standard you wish ?
Not very many I imagine.......

You're trying to re-write the voting process in an unthinkable and totally c*ck handed way - it's no more than typical pro-EU Labour policy and rhetoric.

And you despise the unemployed but you have Rab C Nesbitt as your avatar.

Need I say more ?

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Besoeker

Race and nationality are two completely different matters, of course.

youcanhandlethetruth

Yes, so what's your point ?

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The Bear

Not pro government views, Babushka, simply common sense.

Nothing to do with the New Labour lot, simply a matter of supply and demand.

Fill vacancies with British people, make it a requirement to earn every penny of state aid a person gets unless genuinely incapacitated to do any available work, and the immigration issue will ease overnight.

Better yet get seriously stuck in to a policy or repatriation of those without a 100% watertight eligibility to be IN the UK and place the onus of proof on the applicant and even better.

No, I don't totally support them, I support those who presently come here and work over the lazy don’t work / won’t work scum who are parasites on the rest of us.

Don’t be silly.

Actually not all that much. It could be phased in starting with those in their final years at school plus the under 25’s, and then a rolling program introduced to deliver the goods over a number of years.

ASomething of more value than a modern GCSE ,and something with a wider base. Not something biased towards academics, but that demonstrated an individuals ability to perform basic math and to understand what principles the main political parties promote.

In addition parliamentary process, the stages of the passage of a bill through The Houses and the British electoral system.

As for the odd sod parties, I would much prefer to see a formal two party state, but if the present system were to remain the smaller parties would be better positioned to present whatever weird and wonderful things they brought to the table by having a better educated and aware electorate to decide on the value of what was being offered.

Then once again you make an assumption. You have no idea what level of English I am contemplating.

No, it’s common sense.

I despise the deliberately unemployed who have decided not to work, and instead sit back and predate off the rest of us.

No work - no pay. No taxes paid - no vote. Rather simple really.

(As for Rab C, he just cracks me up! Like most sensible Scotsmen he’s intrinsically good fun!)

Besoeker

The article you cited was about foreigners.
So why mention race?

Besoeker

I agree. It brings to mind the Thomas Carlyle quote:
"I do not believe in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance."

Besoeker

The character gave employment to Gregor Fisher of course.

youcanhandlethetruth

Because like most people in this country, they are branded as racist if they merely mention immigration. But yes, maybe I should not present any prior explanation to appease the politically correct.
The fact remains however that there are a lot of people who are against immigration BUT ALSO racist.
These people are not just concerned about the economic and social problems immigration causes, but they have a loathing of people from other races too.

So nice try for trying it on Besoeker, but there is a distinct difference.

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